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so this isn't anything that just is

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limited to the united states it's a

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hi everyone and welcome back to that ufo

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podcast my name is andy and we are

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closing 2021 with some big discussions

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with some big names fresh from our

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recent conversation with journalist ross

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colter i am delighted to welcome a

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professor of biological anthropology at

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montana tech in butte he received a phd

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in anthropology from the ohio state

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university in 2009 where he specialized

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in hormonan evolutionary anatomy

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archaeology and biomedicine he is also

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the author of the excellent book

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identified flying objects a

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multi-disciplinary scientific approach

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to the ufo phenomenon like to welcome dr

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michael p masters to the podcast

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hi thank you thanks for having me on

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it's really good to have you on and

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again judging by the reaction from the

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listener questions they poured in very

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quickly it's uh it's shaping up to be a

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good conversation

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dr masters to get right into it

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could you tell the listeners um what are

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your first memories on the subject of

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ufos and what really got you interested

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well my first memory was unfortunately

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not have seen one or having any sort of

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encounter but hearing about

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an encounter my father had

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before i was born

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when i was eight years old when i heard

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him telling the story about it to some

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friends that were over at our house and

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it definitely piqued my interest it

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anything that was too extraordinary as

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far as ufo encounters go he just saw a

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bright

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glowing ball of light in the sky that

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darted toward his truck and then back

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across the horizon and then shot

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straight up which obviously isn't

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conventional aircraft or

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anything else that we know of today that

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could do that so it fits the definition

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um so yeah i started sort of becoming

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interested in it then and

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uh not long after he got whitley

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strieber's book communion and that's

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my fascination with this from a time

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travel perspective as i remember seeing

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the cover of of whitley's book

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and uh sort of that quintessential alien

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form uh though he assured me that the

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forehead of the visitors he saw was much

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larger than how his artist depicted that

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early hominin form

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modern human form and then this alien

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of connection there a phylogenetic

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connection an evolutionary relationship

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questions related to that aspect of it

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thinking that this is the only way to

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understand the phenomenon it's got to be

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very multifaceted a lot of different

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potential origins for the different

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beans and the types of craft that are

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seen but um i do think that this time

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that taking a an abductive approach

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explanation essentially and

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other interpretations as well

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young age you had an interest in like

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the weirdness that goes along with it

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world um it's just yeah it's something

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different scenarios so yeah i guess i've

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car or like ten it which took me several

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around that going through

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a tenant the movie i haven't seen that

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and relates to you know the phenomenon

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of ufos because i think something that

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conversations about something that's

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linear timeline is that something you

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subscribe to or do you think the idea is

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more complex than that

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context of the block universe or the

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travel so i i kind of kept with this

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notion of self-consistency i mentioned

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igor navakov earlier and he proposed the

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the principle of self-consistency where

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counter and reform or anything like that

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block universe there really aren't any

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sort of um consistency paradoxes or

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bootstrap paradoxes or any causal time

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loop paradoxes that people often think

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the future anything you did in that past

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lately with these cataclysms and what

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greys are fighting i'm sure you've heard

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interdimensional aspects to it too they

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dimension or possibly time

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state thinks that there may be three

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how this would happen

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what's so commonly reported where uh

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common phenomenon in fact luella zondo

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talking about how pilots will only use

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five minutes of fuel um but they were in

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the proximity of this thing for some 30

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vicinity within that radius uh it sort

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of indicates that they have the ability

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to manipulate space time on a larger

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i'll lead on too soon so that that's

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really good um the idea of future humans

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would be interested in visiting us now

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or do you think that's always been

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happening

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yeah uh paul heineck always asks a

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question he he says

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how would they find us and why would

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they care and i think this time travel

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model helps explain both of those it'd

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be easy to find us because we know we're

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here and we have been here on this

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planet for about six to eight million

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years as upright walking hominins at

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least

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and why would they care if they're us i

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mean that's exactly what i do as a

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paleoanthropologist is i care enough

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about the past to travel around the

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world and dig up bones and figure out

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our our evolutionary relationship with

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other primates and other species so i i

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do think it helps uh answer those two

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questions and and it may be much deeper

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than just uh an interest in what

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we had been doing i this

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intense focus on gamete extraction sperm

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eggs sometimes developing fetuses and

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these reports of

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abductions if we can take those

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seriously and because the things that

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um they're being taken up into are very

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similar to these craft that are seen by

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pilots and police and and everyone else

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i think it's all part of the same

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phenomenon for the most part

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and because it's happened to so many

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people and their stories are so

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consistent i don't see any reason we

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should discount those we should at least

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you know take them seriously and

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consider

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these eyewitness accounts

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and um

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yeah this intense focus on gametes seems

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to indicate that there's something about

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reproduction that's involved there may

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be some reason some problems that

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they're having in the future with

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reproduction or

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uh i argue in my my first book about

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homogenization of our gene pool because

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we're all just one interbreeding

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population now on this island of earth

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essentially

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we may

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suffer from problems with an increase in

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homozygous recessive traits that result

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from incest essentially we may become

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one large incestuous population the only

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way to get new gene variants might be to

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dip into the past and take

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take genetic material from individuals

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groups haplotypes that didn't make it

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into the future which would add novel

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gene variants to that future and help

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diversify

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our genetics to some extent uh there

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there's already a decrease in birth

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rates uh i think there is a

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something like a forty percent decrease

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in sperm counts in all men across the

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western world regardless of what nation

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you're talking about so it could be

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related to fertility fecundity or

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potentially problems with our genetics

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there's a lot of reasons why we might

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visit the past but that aspect of the

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abduction phenomenon seems to indicate

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that reproduction somehow involved

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you mentioned that obviously as a as a

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species standing upright as as you put

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it and i'm i'm going to be the guy

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trying to use the layman's terms here

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that we've been around eight to nine

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million years recently louise elizondo

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who you mentioned has said in several

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interviews that

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around 70 000 years ago there is

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evidence that our genetics may have been

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manipulated

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that sprung us forward in the

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evolutionary scale what have your

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uh i hadn't heard that um but that is

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interesting i i would have to do a

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little more research to

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be able to provide an informed uh

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commentary

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though i mean it does kind of correlate

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with um what jim peniston reported

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this binary code download that he

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claims to have received when he touched

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his craft in the rental shrimp forest in

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1980

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said that they can only travel back some

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50 60 000 years i forget the exact

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number um so i mean if if there is

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evidence of some sort of

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change um

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it would kind of dovetail with that that

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time frame i guess but um no i'll have

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to look into that i'd be interested to

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see where he got that information from

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yeah if you look up cut dry mungle

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theories of everything podcast on

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youtube which is fantastic anyway

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he had a conversation with louise

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elizondo that went about two and a half

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hours

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and this this came up in in that

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interview as well as a few others but

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that one's uh well time stamped so

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i will mention too though that as far as

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you know our culture and technology

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we've had

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an acceleration in the rate of change

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throughout a very long period of time

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really going back to

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the origins of of our species really

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even before that since the beginning of

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culture you had homo habilis homo

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erectus making these very simple stone

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tools and all of the technology we have

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today is built upon

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those

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earliest devices we have descent with

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modification but there's been a steep

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accelerating curve this geometric curve

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um so

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because that's already been happening

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there could have been something 50 70

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000 years ago that was an intentional

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manipulation but

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we kind of seem to have already been um

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evolving at a more rapid rate both in

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our our biology and our culture so um if

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there was an intervention i think it

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it it may have kind of been a part of

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what was already happening but

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i don't know you touched on the new book

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and uh my my co-host dan was very

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excited about the idea of discussing

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temporal species

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and you mentioned interdimensionals

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different dimensions different states of

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existence

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what is your research showing obviously

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not to spoil what may be in the new book

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but

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what is the current thinking we've moved

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way down the line from aliens are

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visiting us from mars to there might be

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aliens here already to discussing

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different dimensions what's your what's

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your current thinking along those lines

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well i've kind of

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you know it's been

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circling back to what we were talking

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about um early on i guess hasn't been

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that long but

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earlier in the show i was mentioning how

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i've i've tried to maintain an open mind

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and not

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subscribed to any sort of bias

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confirmation bias especially which is

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common in academia and elsewhere

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especially in the ufo

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community but

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um

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yeah i one thing that that sort of

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evolved in in in my mind

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is is going back to that that multiverse

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the interdimensional aspect and and i

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kind of see them all as the same thing

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um it's almost

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as if the the arguments i made in my

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first book

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are specific to the block universe but

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if we're talking about upright walking

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human forms with bigger heads smaller

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faces bigger eyes more advanced

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technology

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if they are coming from a different

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dimension or using higher dimensions to

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travel or if they're from different

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timelines as per the multiverse i see it

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as all kind of the same phenomenon it

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we're still talking about humans in a

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more evolved state from our future but

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they're visiting us in different ways so

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i sort of see interdimensional the

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multiverse

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the extra tempestuorio model as i call

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it sort of being all an aspect of the

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same future human phenomenon just

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different ways of interpreting based on

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how we understand time

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as a species where we are now in our you

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know our evolution

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do we have the awareness to understand a

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species like that that may exist you

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know as you say

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within

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i mean i i struggle to think about wi-fi

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and how we've got signals and data

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flying all over and they go from you

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know a block on your desk to your phone

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and you can't see them but in the same

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breath there may be whole species of

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existence that exist that we just can't

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see

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is that something you think we're at a

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place where we can understand

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well possibly um you know clearly

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they're they're much more evolved uh in

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their technology that's very apparent

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um also their biology based on

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long-standing trends in hominin

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evolution and i i mentioned the expanded

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neurocranium the smaller retracted face

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smaller teeth bigger eyes

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more dexterous fingers things like that

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um but importantly they also seem to be

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more evolved in their consciousness and

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and there seems to be a very strong

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connection between consciousness

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um and the phenomenon especially with

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these ones that seem to be from a more

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distant point in our evolutionary future

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it's important to point out that a lot

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of these sightings involve fully modern

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humans

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individuals that are piloting these

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craft these discs and mostly triangular

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and disc shaped craft but they're

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entirely human in every form and they

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speak vocally the same way that we do

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however once you get in to these

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these gray aliens and and other forms

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that are um at least based on the free

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foundation study the dr edgar mitchell

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foundation study are the second and

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third most commonly reported it goes

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humans just like us

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short grace tall greys and then only

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about five percent are the reptilians

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and the mantid so if this uh these

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statistics can

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help guide us on

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what's most commonly seen that would

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also make sense in the context of this

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model because we expect to see

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humans from closer periods

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to us whatever our now is

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simply because of sampling error it's

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the same thing in archaeology where we

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find fewer things the farther back we go

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there's just more periods more things

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that can happen to those materials so we

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find less of the material culture of

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older groups would expect to see

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people coming from a more approximate

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point in our future who look like us who

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dress like us who obviously have more

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evolved technology but then when we get

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into these other forms the tall and the

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short grays and the tall grays

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especially that consciousness aspect

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seems to be a big part of it and

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especially with regard to their

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communication

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um

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but even outside of being in our

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presence you know the the c5 aspect of

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the phenomenon

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people claiming to have this connection

564
00:20:49,350 --> 00:20:47,039
to them and

565
00:20:50,710 --> 00:20:49,360
a number of different capacities

566
00:20:53,510 --> 00:20:50,720
so i think

567
00:20:55,350 --> 00:20:53,520
yeah as far as a more ethereal type of

568
00:20:57,990 --> 00:20:55,360
of being it could be an aspect of this

569
00:20:59,270 --> 00:20:58,000
more evolved consciousness um

570
00:21:00,470 --> 00:20:59,280
i i don't know i think it's going to be

571
00:21:01,909 --> 00:21:00,480
some time

572
00:21:04,390 --> 00:21:01,919
before we really understand what

573
00:21:06,549 --> 00:21:04,400
consciousness truly is but it seems to

574
00:21:07,430 --> 00:21:06,559
be an important aspect of the phenomenon

575
00:21:09,350 --> 00:21:07,440
at least

576
00:21:11,510 --> 00:21:09,360
it certainly does and you mentioned

577
00:21:13,190 --> 00:21:11,520
right back at the start there that there

578
00:21:16,470 --> 00:21:13,200
are different shapes obviously of these

579
00:21:18,710 --> 00:21:16,480
craft and triangles saucers discs

580
00:21:21,590 --> 00:21:18,720
v-shaped craft and there's a whole

581
00:21:23,830 --> 00:21:21,600
spectrum have you and your research seen

582
00:21:27,110 --> 00:21:23,840
any correlation from the shape of these

583
00:21:30,310 --> 00:21:27,120
craft to potential intent or purpose

584
00:21:32,230 --> 00:21:30,320
yeah that's a great question i i have um

585
00:21:34,070 --> 00:21:32,240
and i've been writing about that a lot

586
00:21:36,070 --> 00:21:34,080
over the last couple weeks specifically

587
00:21:37,270 --> 00:21:36,080
with regard to

588
00:21:44,230 --> 00:21:37,280
um

589
00:21:46,310 --> 00:21:44,240
devil's den encounter where he and his

590
00:21:47,590 --> 00:21:46,320
army buddy toby were taken up into one

591
00:21:49,750 --> 00:21:47,600
of these massive

592
00:21:52,070 --> 00:21:49,760
triangular crafts which which seems to

593
00:21:53,350 --> 00:21:52,080
be similar to what was described in the

594
00:21:57,669 --> 00:21:53,360
phoenix light

595
00:21:59,190 --> 00:21:57,679
think was 300 miles and most

596
00:22:00,390 --> 00:21:59,200
people remember it from phoenix

597
00:22:01,270 --> 00:22:00,400
obviously

598
00:22:02,470 --> 00:22:01,280
um

599
00:22:04,149 --> 00:22:02,480
but they

600
00:22:06,310 --> 00:22:04,159
not and not just tim there's been other

601
00:22:09,590 --> 00:22:06,320
people who also report going into that

602
00:22:11,270 --> 00:22:09,600
specific type of ship which seems to be

603
00:22:13,830 --> 00:22:11,280
i don't want to say mothership because

604
00:22:15,190 --> 00:22:13,840
that sounds kind of cliche and dumb

605
00:22:17,029 --> 00:22:15,200
but

606
00:22:19,029 --> 00:22:17,039
in a lot of these reports they describe

607
00:22:20,870 --> 00:22:19,039
seeing the same thing jerry wills

608
00:22:22,789 --> 00:22:20,880
another abductee described almost

609
00:22:25,830 --> 00:22:22,799
identical things to what terry lovelace

610
00:22:29,590 --> 00:22:25,840
did with regard to um these walls of

611
00:22:31,990 --> 00:22:29,600
incubators just running across the one

612
00:22:35,110 --> 00:22:32,000
entire side of the wall of this this

613
00:22:37,510 --> 00:22:35,120
huge triangular ship within those are

614
00:22:38,710 --> 00:22:37,520
human humanoid hybrid whatever you want

615
00:22:40,390 --> 00:22:38,720
to call them

616
00:22:43,270 --> 00:22:40,400
fetus fetuses developing

617
00:22:45,590 --> 00:22:43,280
terry lovelace also describes seeing

618
00:22:47,669 --> 00:22:45,600
modern humans that are taking other

619
00:22:49,190 --> 00:22:47,679
modern humans into these rooms or strip

620
00:22:52,070 --> 00:22:49,200
them naked

621
00:22:54,549 --> 00:22:52,080
supposedly extracting sperm and egg

622
00:22:56,070 --> 00:22:54,559
which is reported almost every uh one of

623
00:22:57,750 --> 00:22:56,080
these encounters that happened to him

624
00:23:00,310 --> 00:22:57,760
and his friend toby as well

625
00:23:03,110 --> 00:23:00,320
so it almost seems like that ship serves

626
00:23:05,029 --> 00:23:03,120
some sort of reproductive purpose that

627
00:23:07,350 --> 00:23:05,039
that it's i think i called it a

628
00:23:09,350 --> 00:23:07,360
fertility facility or

629
00:23:11,510 --> 00:23:09,360
something some stupid alliteration like

630
00:23:14,070 --> 00:23:11,520
that in my book um because it seems to

631
00:23:17,110 --> 00:23:14,080
have that function whereas these

632
00:23:19,590 --> 00:23:17,120
uh disc shaped crafts seem to be more

633
00:23:21,750 --> 00:23:19,600
used for transport travel

634
00:23:23,430 --> 00:23:21,760
most likely manipulating space time

635
00:23:25,270 --> 00:23:23,440
they're likely the time machines

636
00:23:27,190 --> 00:23:25,280
themselves and that would make sense if

637
00:23:30,950 --> 00:23:27,200
you came back to a specific time i don't

638
00:23:33,270 --> 00:23:30,960
think this huge five-story tall triangle

639
00:23:34,870 --> 00:23:33,280
would be able to travel through time but

640
00:23:36,549 --> 00:23:34,880
if they can come to a specific time they

641
00:23:37,750 --> 00:23:36,559
could build something like that in our

642
00:23:39,750 --> 00:23:37,760
time

643
00:23:41,909 --> 00:23:39,760
both of those abductees also describe

644
00:23:43,269 --> 00:23:41,919
being taken to a moon base on the dark

645
00:23:44,870 --> 00:23:43,279
side of the moon

646
00:23:46,549 --> 00:23:44,880
in this triangular craft so you could

647
00:23:48,390 --> 00:23:46,559
build all of these things in a specific

648
00:23:50,310 --> 00:23:48,400
time period you'd have the deep oceans

649
00:23:52,549 --> 00:23:50,320
antarctica the dark side of the moon all

650
00:23:55,190 --> 00:23:52,559
these places where you could easily hide

651
00:23:57,190 --> 00:23:55,200
um it sounds kind of speculative and

652
00:23:59,110 --> 00:23:57,200
crazy but if enough people are saying

653
00:24:00,470 --> 00:23:59,120
the same thing independently i think

654
00:24:02,230 --> 00:24:00,480
it's at least worthy of our

655
00:24:05,350 --> 00:24:02,240
consideration

656
00:24:07,750 --> 00:24:05,360
you had mentioned that pilots where they

657
00:24:10,070 --> 00:24:07,760
use five minutes of fuel when they've

658
00:24:12,310 --> 00:24:10,080
spent 30 minutes in the vicinity of of

659
00:24:14,149 --> 00:24:12,320
some of these objects and various people

660
00:24:16,630 --> 00:24:14,159
and different events have reported you

661
00:24:18,630 --> 00:24:16,640
know that time dilation or missing time

662
00:24:20,230 --> 00:24:18,640
whatever people want to call it

663
00:24:22,710 --> 00:24:20,240
what i want to ask is

664
00:24:25,669 --> 00:24:22,720
do the occupants inside these craft in

665
00:24:28,070 --> 00:24:25,679
your opinion suffer any effects either

666
00:24:29,750 --> 00:24:28,080
positive or negative from from traveling

667
00:24:32,390 --> 00:24:29,760
through time or space or whatever it may

668
00:24:35,110 --> 00:24:32,400
be

669
00:24:38,149 --> 00:24:35,120
um i don't know i mean if you're still

670
00:24:40,149 --> 00:24:38,159
moving forward in time

671
00:24:42,070 --> 00:24:40,159
within your local reference frame it

672
00:24:43,430 --> 00:24:42,080
doesn't seem like there would really be

673
00:24:47,590 --> 00:24:43,440
too many

674
00:24:50,310 --> 00:24:47,600
uh effects on you specifically um one

675
00:24:52,230 --> 00:24:50,320
thing i mentioned in my book is if you

676
00:24:54,149 --> 00:24:52,240
you know go into the past and you can

677
00:24:55,909 --> 00:24:54,159
pick these people up at different points

678
00:24:58,310 --> 00:24:55,919
throughout their life and a lot of these

679
00:25:00,390 --> 00:24:58,320
lifelong abductees describe

680
00:25:01,830 --> 00:25:00,400
interacting with the same individual or

681
00:25:04,390 --> 00:25:01,840
individuals

682
00:25:07,190 --> 00:25:04,400
who don't seem to age so if they were

683
00:25:09,510 --> 00:25:07,200
picking up uh say an eight-year-old

684
00:25:13,110 --> 00:25:09,520
child and then the same individuals pick

685
00:25:16,710 --> 00:25:13,120
up that same person at age 15 25

686
00:25:19,190 --> 00:25:16,720
45 up into old age um they wouldn't be

687
00:25:21,269 --> 00:25:19,200
expected to really age if they're doing

688
00:25:23,269 --> 00:25:21,279
all of that within the same couple days

689
00:25:25,029 --> 00:25:23,279
or the same week and and importantly

690
00:25:27,350 --> 00:25:25,039
they could go back to their own time

691
00:25:29,029 --> 00:25:27,360
that they came from and show up that

692
00:25:30,950 --> 00:25:29,039
same day even if they were gone for a

693
00:25:33,669 --> 00:25:30,960
week or a month doing this but if they

694
00:25:36,470 --> 00:25:33,679
did that enough they would start to age

695
00:25:38,390 --> 00:25:36,480
at a faster rate relative to their

696
00:25:41,029 --> 00:25:38,400
significant other and their family

697
00:25:43,269 --> 00:25:41,039
because they would be spending more time

698
00:25:45,269 --> 00:25:43,279
doing this but still showing up around

699
00:25:47,430 --> 00:25:45,279
the same time that they left but

700
00:25:48,950 --> 00:25:47,440
other than that i can't imagine

701
00:25:51,909 --> 00:25:48,960
that they would subject themselves to

702
00:25:53,590 --> 00:25:51,919
any sort of uh harm associated with this

703
00:25:55,590 --> 00:25:53,600
outside the craft clearly there's a lot

704
00:25:58,230 --> 00:25:55,600
of injuries that are reported uh

705
00:25:59,669 --> 00:25:58,240
radiation burns and things like that uh

706
00:26:01,590 --> 00:25:59,679
but within the craft i assume they're

707
00:26:03,510 --> 00:26:01,600
pretty well buffered from that

708
00:26:05,350 --> 00:26:03,520
and would you think the idea of of time

709
00:26:08,470 --> 00:26:05,360
travel rather than

710
00:26:10,630 --> 00:26:08,480
extensive travel in space would also

711
00:26:12,230 --> 00:26:10,640
subscribe to that some of the movements

712
00:26:14,630 --> 00:26:12,240
that these craft have that appear

713
00:26:16,710 --> 00:26:14,640
particularly glitchy alex dietrich and

714
00:26:19,110 --> 00:26:16,720
david frava reported the tic tac was

715
00:26:20,789 --> 00:26:19,120
actually tumbling above the water which

716
00:26:22,310 --> 00:26:20,799
is a really odd movement for something

717
00:26:23,269 --> 00:26:22,320
to make when it should just be sitting

718
00:26:24,950 --> 00:26:23,279
still

719
00:26:27,029 --> 00:26:24,960
and what we hear about do you think it

720
00:26:29,110 --> 00:26:27,039
could be that these things aren't moving

721
00:26:31,510 --> 00:26:29,120
really fast or popping in and out of

722
00:26:33,510 --> 00:26:31,520
existence in a space

723
00:26:35,909 --> 00:26:33,520
yeah i do i think um

724
00:26:38,630 --> 00:26:35,919
this this time travel aspect of it helps

725
00:26:42,310 --> 00:26:38,640
explain a lot of those things where

726
00:26:44,149 --> 00:26:42,320
where something um appears to sort of be

727
00:26:46,230 --> 00:26:44,159
fading in and out of existence even

728
00:26:48,230 --> 00:26:46,240
that's commonly reported in these uh

729
00:26:50,149 --> 00:26:48,240
these close encounters and if there's a

730
00:26:52,470 --> 00:26:50,159
sphere of influence around it if they're

731
00:26:53,510 --> 00:26:52,480
manipulating the space-time metric

732
00:26:57,830 --> 00:26:53,520
within

733
00:26:59,990 --> 00:26:57,840
certain radius you would expect to see

734
00:27:01,990 --> 00:27:00,000
things like that if they're coming in

735
00:27:03,430 --> 00:27:02,000
and out of our time periods too we would

736
00:27:04,789 --> 00:27:03,440
expect to see them appearing and

737
00:27:07,830 --> 00:27:04,799
disappearing just like they're so

738
00:27:09,669 --> 00:27:07,840
commonly reported doing um another thing

739
00:27:12,230 --> 00:27:09,679
that gets mentioned that kind of ties

740
00:27:14,310 --> 00:27:12,240
into that and i see this as a criticism

741
00:27:16,710 --> 00:27:14,320
of this idea a lot where

742
00:27:19,269 --> 00:27:16,720
people think that if you travel through

743
00:27:21,190 --> 00:27:19,279
time say you go 100 years into the past

744
00:27:22,710 --> 00:27:21,200
now the earth is in a different place

745
00:27:24,470 --> 00:27:22,720
you have to travel really far to get to

746
00:27:25,830 --> 00:27:24,480
it but that's sort of a faulty way of

747
00:27:27,430 --> 00:27:25,840
thinking of space time because you're

748
00:27:28,950 --> 00:27:27,440
separating time

749
00:27:31,510 --> 00:27:28,960
from space you're saying if you go

750
00:27:33,110 --> 00:27:31,520
through time in this way the space where

751
00:27:35,029 --> 00:27:33,120
the earth was is now different but

752
00:27:36,710 --> 00:27:35,039
space-time is one thing minkowski

753
00:27:40,389 --> 00:27:36,720
space-time is one four-dimensional

754
00:27:42,149 --> 00:27:40,399
structure so that's not not the case um

755
00:27:44,070 --> 00:27:42,159
you kind of think of it if you're in a

756
00:27:45,669 --> 00:27:44,080
car and you throw a ball in the air it

757
00:27:47,510 --> 00:27:45,679
doesn't instantly go back unless you're

758
00:27:50,230 --> 00:27:47,520
in a convertible i guess but it moves

759
00:27:51,990 --> 00:27:50,240
with you a a fly in an airplane doesn't

760
00:27:53,909 --> 00:27:52,000
know it's traveling at 700 miles an hour

761
00:27:55,590 --> 00:27:53,919
it's moving with that thing so you can

762
00:27:57,350 --> 00:27:55,600
kind of think of of space time in that

763
00:27:58,950 --> 00:27:57,360
way and the reason i bring that up is

764
00:28:00,870 --> 00:27:58,960
because when we see these craft

765
00:28:02,950 --> 00:28:00,880
appearing and disappearing

766
00:28:05,110 --> 00:28:02,960
if that was an aspect of this phenomenon

767
00:28:06,549 --> 00:28:05,120
if space and time were separate and the

768
00:28:07,909 --> 00:28:06,559
earth was moving

769
00:28:10,070 --> 00:28:07,919
as they're traveling and out of time

770
00:28:11,590 --> 00:28:10,080
you'd expect to see the ship moving very

771
00:28:12,950 --> 00:28:11,600
quickly as it's appearing or

772
00:28:15,350 --> 00:28:12,960
disappearing but they don't they stay in

773
00:28:17,029 --> 00:28:15,360
the same place which indicates that

774
00:28:19,029 --> 00:28:17,039
there really isn't the separation of

775
00:28:21,029 --> 00:28:19,039
space and time and the way people

776
00:28:23,750 --> 00:28:21,039
oftentimes think of it so

777
00:28:25,510 --> 00:28:23,760
yeah i think many things about the

778
00:28:27,510 --> 00:28:25,520
the way time passes the way they're seen

779
00:28:28,630 --> 00:28:27,520
appearing and disappearing uh the way

780
00:28:31,110 --> 00:28:28,640
they sort of fade in and out of

781
00:28:33,110 --> 00:28:31,120
existence or or tumble and move around

782
00:28:36,230 --> 00:28:33,120
in different ways it's probably just an

783
00:28:38,950 --> 00:28:36,240
aspect of where they are within our

784
00:28:41,430 --> 00:28:38,960
relative time frame in global space time

785
00:28:43,350 --> 00:28:41,440
we would expect to see those sort of uh

786
00:28:46,389 --> 00:28:43,360
variations in the way that they're

787
00:28:49,110 --> 00:28:46,399
observed in these different capacities

788
00:28:51,669 --> 00:28:49,120
experiences with seemingly temporal

789
00:28:54,549 --> 00:28:51,679
beings often come with prophecies or

790
00:28:56,870 --> 00:28:54,559
warnings uh for example the bledsoes had

791
00:28:59,430 --> 00:28:56,880
the lady there was lady of fatima and

792
00:29:01,669 --> 00:28:59,440
her prophecies do you think these are

793
00:29:03,430 --> 00:29:01,679
pointing at teaching us something or are

794
00:29:07,909 --> 00:29:03,440
giving us a warning you mentioned

795
00:29:09,750 --> 00:29:07,919
potential coming cataclysms earlier

796
00:29:12,549 --> 00:29:09,760
yeah um

797
00:29:13,990 --> 00:29:12,559
if so they're not very good at it um a

798
00:29:16,470 --> 00:29:14,000
lot of people think that about crop

799
00:29:18,870 --> 00:29:16,480
circles too that it's trying to convey

800
00:29:21,430 --> 00:29:18,880
something if if it is it's crap it's a

801
00:29:24,149 --> 00:29:21,440
crap way to tell us anything because the

802
00:29:26,549 --> 00:29:24,159
the basic elements of communication are

803
00:29:27,750 --> 00:29:26,559
speaking and understanding and and if

804
00:29:29,029 --> 00:29:27,760
they're writing these things that we

805
00:29:31,669 --> 00:29:29,039
don't understand nothing's being

806
00:29:33,510 --> 00:29:31,679
communicated and with the warnings the

807
00:29:34,630 --> 00:29:33,520
aerial school a lot of these school

808
00:29:37,269 --> 00:29:34,640
encounters

809
00:29:38,630 --> 00:29:37,279
a lot of lifelong uh contactees and

810
00:29:40,389 --> 00:29:38,640
abductees

811
00:29:43,909 --> 00:29:40,399
say similar things about

812
00:29:45,990 --> 00:29:43,919
uh coming apocalypse cataclysms and

813
00:29:48,470 --> 00:29:46,000
nuclear annihilation

814
00:29:49,830 --> 00:29:48,480
uh is a big part of it as well

815
00:29:51,909 --> 00:29:49,840
so

816
00:29:53,669 --> 00:29:51,919
yeah i mean i think we should definitely

817
00:29:55,510 --> 00:29:53,679
take those seriously

818
00:29:57,830 --> 00:29:55,520
especially because we now

819
00:30:00,389 --> 00:29:57,840
are in possession of weapons that can

820
00:30:02,230 --> 00:30:00,399
wipe out of the vast majority of life on

821
00:30:03,269 --> 00:30:02,240
this planet it's certainly something to

822
00:30:04,789 --> 00:30:03,279
consider

823
00:30:06,950 --> 00:30:04,799
but at the same time if they have the

824
00:30:08,470 --> 00:30:06,960
ability to shut down these missile silos

825
00:30:11,430 --> 00:30:08,480
which clearly they do have happened here

826
00:30:13,110 --> 00:30:11,440
in montana the malmstrom air force base

827
00:30:14,710 --> 00:30:13,120
i i'm sort of under the impression that

828
00:30:16,070 --> 00:30:14,720
they wouldn't let it happen

829
00:30:17,990 --> 00:30:16,080
if if

830
00:30:19,990 --> 00:30:18,000
you know they maybe tell us these things

831
00:30:22,470 --> 00:30:20,000
to get us to think about it and to try

832
00:30:23,909 --> 00:30:22,480
to make changes to preserve the earth

833
00:30:25,750 --> 00:30:23,919
it's always about save the earth save

834
00:30:27,830 --> 00:30:25,760
the earth

835
00:30:30,470 --> 00:30:27,840
but if they live on this earth in the

836
00:30:33,029 --> 00:30:30,480
future and their stakeholders in the

837
00:30:34,710 --> 00:30:33,039
sanctity of this planet you would think

838
00:30:36,310 --> 00:30:34,720
that they just wouldn't let it happen if

839
00:30:38,389 --> 00:30:36,320
you see a kid playing with knives and

840
00:30:40,389 --> 00:30:38,399
guns you go over and take the knives and

841
00:30:42,710 --> 00:30:40,399
guns from that kid and that's probably

842
00:30:45,669 --> 00:30:42,720
how we seem to them in our very

843
00:30:47,590 --> 00:30:45,679
primitive warring state with these

844
00:30:50,149 --> 00:30:47,600
massive weapons that can wipe out life

845
00:30:52,870 --> 00:30:50,159
on the planet um it seems like they

846
00:30:54,470 --> 00:30:52,880
would probably intervene and keep us

847
00:30:56,470 --> 00:30:54,480
from doing that unless it serves some

848
00:30:58,149 --> 00:30:56,480
purpose that we're not aware of but

849
00:31:00,630 --> 00:30:58,159
yeah it's an interesting aspect of the

850
00:31:01,509 --> 00:31:00,640
phenomenon it's extremely common and i

851
00:31:03,590 --> 00:31:01,519
think we should take it into

852
00:31:04,870 --> 00:31:03,600
consideration but i don't know what it

853
00:31:06,789 --> 00:31:04,880
means

854
00:31:08,870 --> 00:31:06,799
talking about those destructive events a

855
00:31:10,950 --> 00:31:08,880
little bit more it's interesting you say

856
00:31:12,870 --> 00:31:10,960
that another species it would make sense

857
00:31:14,870 --> 00:31:12,880
they would come and take the matches off

858
00:31:17,029 --> 00:31:14,880
the kids as such if that's where we're

859
00:31:19,990 --> 00:31:17,039
at in our state of you know progress

860
00:31:22,470 --> 00:31:20,000
hiroshima and nagasaki you know

861
00:31:24,630 --> 00:31:22,480
bombs were dropped that were devastating

862
00:31:26,389 --> 00:31:24,640
to hundreds of thousands of lives and

863
00:31:29,269 --> 00:31:26,399
the planet going forward still feels

864
00:31:31,190 --> 00:31:29,279
those effects it was 200 000 just in

865
00:31:33,430 --> 00:31:31,200
hiroshima

866
00:31:36,310 --> 00:31:33,440
it's huge numbers and and you did

867
00:31:38,310 --> 00:31:36,320
preface what you said with that it could

868
00:31:40,470 --> 00:31:38,320
be for another purpose we're not sure of

869
00:31:43,029 --> 00:31:40,480
but why do you think a species would

870
00:31:45,909 --> 00:31:43,039
allow those events to happen even for

871
00:31:47,909 --> 00:31:45,919
example chernobyl with the nuclear power

872
00:31:50,549 --> 00:31:47,919
plants effects still being felt for for

873
00:31:52,149 --> 00:31:50,559
thousands of years it's going to be

874
00:31:53,830 --> 00:31:52,159
is there a limit as to what they may or

875
00:31:56,230 --> 00:31:53,840
may not get involved with and i'm

876
00:31:58,950 --> 00:31:56,240
thinking also along the lines of meteor

877
00:32:00,310 --> 00:31:58,960
strikes or solar flares potentially

878
00:32:02,470 --> 00:32:00,320
impacting the planet which is something

879
00:32:04,549 --> 00:32:02,480
we hear about often

880
00:32:07,750 --> 00:32:04,559
yeah i mean it could come down to that

881
00:32:09,750 --> 00:32:07,760
whole um multiverse versus block time

882
00:32:12,549 --> 00:32:09,760
thing too where they can't

883
00:32:16,230 --> 00:32:12,559
intervene too much or it it

884
00:32:18,710 --> 00:32:16,240
causes a a decoherence and we have a new

885
00:32:20,310 --> 00:32:18,720
timeline for him as well um there

886
00:32:22,470 --> 00:32:20,320
definitely seems to be a sort of prime

887
00:32:24,630 --> 00:32:22,480
directive involved there's not a lot of

888
00:32:26,789 --> 00:32:24,640
influence um

889
00:32:30,630 --> 00:32:26,799
there's one report that i talk about my

890
00:32:32,549 --> 00:32:30,640
new book where um this individual who

891
00:32:34,149 --> 00:32:32,559
wasn't abducted he just encountered

892
00:32:36,549 --> 00:32:34,159
these um these

893
00:32:39,029 --> 00:32:36,559
these humans they were fully human that

894
00:32:41,830 --> 00:32:39,039
spoke uh just like we do

895
00:32:43,990 --> 00:32:41,840
um joan byrd also talks about this this

896
00:32:45,830 --> 00:32:44,000
case in her book montana ufos because it

897
00:32:46,789 --> 00:32:45,840
happened not far from here

898
00:32:49,590 --> 00:32:46,799
um

899
00:32:51,750 --> 00:32:49,600
but this individual was asking all of

900
00:32:53,830 --> 00:32:51,760
these questions was shown

901
00:32:56,070 --> 00:32:53,840
inside of the ship was told exactly how

902
00:32:57,110 --> 00:32:56,080
it works with the electromagnetism and

903
00:32:59,990 --> 00:32:57,120
these

904
00:33:02,789 --> 00:33:00,000
flywheels and things but he asked about

905
00:33:05,110 --> 00:33:02,799
jesus and about religion and they said

906
00:33:07,110 --> 00:33:05,120
they're not allowed to answer questions

907
00:33:08,549 --> 00:33:07,120
or talk about those things

908
00:33:10,549 --> 00:33:08,559
which was pretty much the only question

909
00:33:12,070 --> 00:33:10,559
they wouldn't answer and i i found that

910
00:33:14,549 --> 00:33:12,080
interesting because

911
00:33:16,549 --> 00:33:14,559
it sort of indicates that they

912
00:33:19,190 --> 00:33:16,559
are really trying to

913
00:33:20,789 --> 00:33:19,200
to not really get involved too much with

914
00:33:21,830 --> 00:33:20,799
our culture and our perceptions of

915
00:33:23,029 --> 00:33:21,840
things

916
00:33:24,710 --> 00:33:23,039
um

917
00:33:26,870 --> 00:33:24,720
and i i don't know a lot of people argue

918
00:33:29,110 --> 00:33:26,880
that many things in some of the major

919
00:33:30,950 --> 00:33:29,120
religions especially the

920
00:33:33,190 --> 00:33:30,960
islam and a number of things in the old

921
00:33:36,389 --> 00:33:33,200
testament of the bible were essentially

922
00:33:37,669 --> 00:33:36,399
ufos um ezekiel's sort of the cliche

923
00:33:39,110 --> 00:33:37,679
example but there are a number of other

924
00:33:41,350 --> 00:33:39,120
ones as well

925
00:33:43,669 --> 00:33:41,360
i've even heard some talk about islam as

926
00:33:45,750 --> 00:33:43,679
a ufo religion

927
00:33:47,350 --> 00:33:45,760
there's some indications that it was

928
00:33:49,909 --> 00:33:47,360
inspired by

929
00:33:52,710 --> 00:33:49,919
some things that happened long ago so

930
00:33:55,110 --> 00:33:52,720
you know there seems to be some innate

931
00:33:57,190 --> 00:33:55,120
influence uh whether it's intentional or

932
00:33:59,350 --> 00:33:57,200
unintentional i i don't think if you're

933
00:34:01,430 --> 00:33:59,360
traveling to the past you can avoid

934
00:34:03,990 --> 00:34:01,440
influencing a culture just because

935
00:34:07,190 --> 00:34:04,000
you're such an imposing force with your

936
00:34:11,030 --> 00:34:07,200
your high technology high strangeness so

937
00:34:13,990 --> 00:34:11,040
um yeah i don't know it's it seems like

938
00:34:16,310 --> 00:34:14,000
they're they're definitely watching

939
00:34:19,349 --> 00:34:16,320
uh but then the question of intent is is

940
00:34:22,389 --> 00:34:19,359
much harder to really answer how how

941
00:34:25,430 --> 00:34:22,399
involved are they and manipulating

942
00:34:27,909 --> 00:34:25,440
our societies our culture our weaponry

943
00:34:30,069 --> 00:34:27,919
our arms races our political structures

944
00:34:32,629 --> 00:34:30,079
our genes as we talked about earlier

945
00:34:34,550 --> 00:34:32,639
it's really hard to tell at this point

946
00:34:37,270 --> 00:34:34,560
and to ask and we're talking about the

947
00:34:39,510 --> 00:34:37,280
idea that another species is is coming

948
00:34:41,669 --> 00:34:39,520
from the our future to here or a

949
00:34:44,230 --> 00:34:41,679
variation of our future to here so very

950
00:34:46,470 --> 00:34:44,240
much still earth based

951
00:34:48,470 --> 00:34:46,480
how does the idea of of aliens coming

952
00:34:49,909 --> 00:34:48,480
from another planet extraterrestrials

953
00:34:51,270 --> 00:34:49,919
obviously

954
00:34:53,109 --> 00:34:51,280
meet with the ideas that you're

955
00:34:55,270 --> 00:34:53,119
discussing does it

956
00:34:57,030 --> 00:34:55,280
negate that possibility is it too far to

957
00:34:59,670 --> 00:34:57,040
travel or do you think there's still

958
00:35:01,109 --> 00:34:59,680
room for for both to be possible

959
00:35:03,030 --> 00:35:01,119
oh yeah i definitely think there's

960
00:35:06,470 --> 00:35:03,040
there's room if if you have

961
00:35:09,670 --> 00:35:06,480
a craft that can travel

962
00:35:11,670 --> 00:35:09,680
even a fraction of the speed of light um

963
00:35:13,910 --> 00:35:11,680
you can traverse vast distances i think

964
00:35:14,950 --> 00:35:13,920
they would still be within our galaxy i

965
00:35:17,589 --> 00:35:14,960
don't think we're talking about

966
00:35:19,990 --> 00:35:17,599
intergalactic travel um that might be

967
00:35:22,310 --> 00:35:20,000
prohibitive but within our galaxy and

968
00:35:23,349 --> 00:35:22,320
there are billions of stars within it

969
00:35:25,430 --> 00:35:23,359
um

970
00:35:27,510 --> 00:35:25,440
you know it that that space if you have

971
00:35:29,430 --> 00:35:27,520
the technology to travel

972
00:35:31,349 --> 00:35:29,440
at a very high rate of speed obviously

973
00:35:33,109 --> 00:35:31,359
300 000 kilometers per second is

974
00:35:35,589 --> 00:35:33,119
extremely fast but

975
00:35:37,990 --> 00:35:35,599
you could you could absolutely zip

976
00:35:39,589 --> 00:35:38,000
around or potentially use wormholes but

977
00:35:41,430 --> 00:35:39,599
which would also make you travel through

978
00:35:43,190 --> 00:35:41,440
time and we have to factor in that time

979
00:35:45,510 --> 00:35:43,200
dilation effect too if you're traveling

980
00:35:48,150 --> 00:35:45,520
at a high rate of speed

981
00:35:50,790 --> 00:35:48,160
it does make time move faster outside of

982
00:35:52,870 --> 00:35:50,800
your reference frame so

983
00:35:55,109 --> 00:35:52,880
you couldn't just go back and visit your

984
00:35:57,270 --> 00:35:55,119
family after a two-year trip

985
00:35:59,109 --> 00:35:57,280
traveling at near the speed of light and

986
00:36:00,630 --> 00:35:59,119
expect everything to be the same your

987
00:36:02,310 --> 00:36:00,640
husband or wife probably run off with

988
00:36:03,670 --> 00:36:02,320
somebody else your kids graduated

989
00:36:05,349 --> 00:36:03,680
college and

990
00:36:07,670 --> 00:36:05,359
everybody might be dead depending on how

991
00:36:09,190 --> 00:36:07,680
fast you were going so we have to factor

992
00:36:11,030 --> 00:36:09,200
that in we have to factor in how they

993
00:36:13,109 --> 00:36:11,040
would find us again we've only been

994
00:36:15,670 --> 00:36:13,119
sending out radio signals for about 70

995
00:36:16,710 --> 00:36:15,680
years so they've only traveled 70 light

996
00:36:18,950 --> 00:36:16,720
years so

997
00:36:22,550 --> 00:36:18,960
there's not a lot within that range a

998
00:36:24,069 --> 00:36:22,560
lot of stars and potential planets um

999
00:36:26,870 --> 00:36:24,079
so how would they find us things are

1000
00:36:28,470 --> 00:36:26,880
still still a big issue they certainly

1001
00:36:30,950 --> 00:36:28,480
wouldn't be expected to look like us

1002
00:36:33,270 --> 00:36:30,960
there's so many unique things about

1003
00:36:36,390 --> 00:36:33,280
our planet the size of it the gravity

1004
00:36:38,069 --> 00:36:36,400
the atmosphere our our dna coding system

1005
00:36:39,750 --> 00:36:38,079
which is the coding system of all life

1006
00:36:42,790 --> 00:36:39,760
on this planet if there happened to be

1007
00:36:44,550 --> 00:36:42,800
extra nucleotides or other base pairs we

1008
00:36:46,710 --> 00:36:44,560
wouldn't expect to have anything like us

1009
00:36:48,069 --> 00:36:46,720
and it's probably completely random that

1010
00:36:51,270 --> 00:36:48,079
we ended up with

1011
00:36:53,349 --> 00:36:51,280
the agct base pair combos that we have

1012
00:36:55,589 --> 00:36:53,359
in dna to start with so

1013
00:36:58,230 --> 00:36:55,599
um i think there's a lot of things at

1014
00:37:00,790 --> 00:36:58,240
least related to the humanoid forms that

1015
00:37:02,950 --> 00:37:00,800
indicate they are us and obviously from

1016
00:37:04,470 --> 00:37:02,960
the future since we know what we looked

1017
00:37:07,510 --> 00:37:04,480
like in the past and we know we didn't

1018
00:37:08,390 --> 00:37:07,520
have technologies like they have so

1019
00:37:11,190 --> 00:37:08,400
i don't

1020
00:37:12,870 --> 00:37:11,200
write off the extraterrestrial

1021
00:37:13,829 --> 00:37:12,880
hypothesis i think it's still on the

1022
00:37:16,630 --> 00:37:13,839
table

1023
00:37:19,349 --> 00:37:16,640
uh as are the other main theories the

1024
00:37:21,270 --> 00:37:19,359
simulation hypothesis i've been i think

1025
00:37:23,910 --> 00:37:21,280
kind of considering that in some

1026
00:37:25,910 --> 00:37:23,920
contexts um with regard to ufo

1027
00:37:27,430 --> 00:37:25,920
phenomenon ultra terrestrials the role

1028
00:37:29,109 --> 00:37:27,440
of consciousness

1029
00:37:31,349 --> 00:37:29,119
uh there's i think everything should be

1030
00:37:33,270 --> 00:37:31,359
on the table all all valid theories

1031
00:37:35,270 --> 00:37:33,280
should be considered this is too

1032
00:37:36,950 --> 00:37:35,280
mysterious of a phenomenon to just take

1033
00:37:39,589 --> 00:37:36,960
one position and

1034
00:37:41,270 --> 00:37:39,599
and think that it can't be other things

1035
00:37:43,430 --> 00:37:41,280
it certainly is and one of the most

1036
00:37:45,750 --> 00:37:43,440
interesting or or hotly discussed

1037
00:37:47,990 --> 00:37:45,760
aspects of the phenomenon whether extra

1038
00:37:50,390 --> 00:37:48,000
temporal or extraterrestrial whatever it

1039
00:37:52,550 --> 00:37:50,400
may be is the idea that there have been

1040
00:37:55,430 --> 00:37:52,560
crash retrieval programs

1041
00:37:58,150 --> 00:37:55,440
wearing your research and opinion

1042
00:38:00,470 --> 00:37:58,160
do these objects that are so advanced in

1043
00:38:03,510 --> 00:38:00,480
technology still end up potentially

1044
00:38:04,550 --> 00:38:03,520
crashing and within human hands

1045
00:38:06,950 --> 00:38:04,560
yeah

1046
00:38:08,950 --> 00:38:06,960
i thought about a funny example i cut it

1047
00:38:10,390 --> 00:38:08,960
out of my books it was kind of dumb the

1048
00:38:12,950 --> 00:38:10,400
way i wrote it but

1049
00:38:15,030 --> 00:38:12,960
uh i i guess i'm still gonna tell you

1050
00:38:18,470 --> 00:38:15,040
which might be equally dumb

1051
00:38:20,550 --> 00:38:18,480
um but yeah you've got you know

1052
00:38:22,310 --> 00:38:20,560
certain situations where

1053
00:38:23,430 --> 00:38:22,320
um

1054
00:38:25,430 --> 00:38:23,440
uh

1055
00:38:27,829 --> 00:38:25,440
i guess it was in the

1056
00:38:29,589 --> 00:38:27,839
travis walton case study where he he

1057
00:38:31,910 --> 00:38:29,599
escaped the room he was in with these

1058
00:38:33,750 --> 00:38:31,920
short grays and went into the control

1059
00:38:36,069 --> 00:38:33,760
room is pushing buttons on this thing

1060
00:38:38,710 --> 00:38:36,079
there's pitching y'all happening on the

1061
00:38:41,430 --> 00:38:38,720
craft and it made me think like you know

1062
00:38:43,750 --> 00:38:41,440
maybe maybe one of these crashes was the

1063
00:38:45,829 --> 00:38:43,760
result of somebody breaking out and

1064
00:38:48,230 --> 00:38:45,839
pushing some buttons they shouldn't have

1065
00:38:50,470 --> 00:38:48,240
um it also sort of indicates you know

1066
00:38:52,550 --> 00:38:50,480
that we're valuable now we we make

1067
00:38:55,190 --> 00:38:52,560
mistakes all the time we crash things

1068
00:38:56,870 --> 00:38:55,200
all the time uh just because we have

1069
00:38:57,990 --> 00:38:56,880
more advanced technology in the future

1070
00:38:59,270 --> 00:38:58,000
doesn't mean that we're never going to

1071
00:39:01,670 --> 00:38:59,280
have things go wrong there can be

1072
00:39:03,829 --> 00:39:01,680
mechanical problems there can be

1073
00:39:05,990 --> 00:39:03,839
end-user problems where you know

1074
00:39:08,069 --> 00:39:06,000
somebody just takes a left instead of a

1075
00:39:10,630 --> 00:39:08,079
right crashes into some if you are

1076
00:39:12,230 --> 00:39:10,640
moving in and out of time too uh

1077
00:39:14,390 --> 00:39:12,240
you don't have to worry about the earth

1078
00:39:16,150 --> 00:39:14,400
moving under you as you approach because

1079
00:39:18,870 --> 00:39:16,160
you're moving together

1080
00:39:21,030 --> 00:39:18,880
um but who knows what's there but at

1081
00:39:22,790 --> 00:39:21,040
that specific time you'd think that they

1082
00:39:24,710 --> 00:39:22,800
have technology to map it out before

1083
00:39:26,230 --> 00:39:24,720
they just go blasted into a specific

1084
00:39:29,670 --> 00:39:26,240
time period but

1085
00:39:32,150 --> 00:39:29,680
it adds an extra element of um

1086
00:39:34,390 --> 00:39:32,160
of surprise you you might not

1087
00:39:36,390 --> 00:39:34,400
necessarily be able to calculate all of

1088
00:39:38,710 --> 00:39:36,400
those things just right all of the time

1089
00:39:40,470 --> 00:39:38,720
and you i would kind of expect crashes

1090
00:39:42,790 --> 00:39:40,480
to happen i think um

1091
00:39:45,349 --> 00:39:42,800
i think that's that's normal and and

1092
00:39:47,670 --> 00:39:45,359
sort of because we do it with all of our

1093
00:39:48,870 --> 00:39:47,680
most advanced technologies it's likely

1094
00:39:50,550 --> 00:39:48,880
that we

1095
00:39:52,550 --> 00:39:50,560
will continue to regardless of how

1096
00:39:54,310 --> 00:39:52,560
advanced our technology gets

1097
00:39:57,030 --> 00:39:54,320
it's one of the most con

1098
00:39:58,630 --> 00:39:57,040
common conversations debates arguments

1099
00:40:00,630 --> 00:39:58,640
whatever it may turn out to be online

1100
00:40:02,150 --> 00:40:00,640
that i've had is you know people asking

1101
00:40:03,670 --> 00:40:02,160
well why do these things crash if

1102
00:40:05,430 --> 00:40:03,680
they're so advanced and you're right

1103
00:40:07,670 --> 00:40:05,440
that if you went back to the first

1104
00:40:09,750 --> 00:40:07,680
pioneers who sailed from whichever

1105
00:40:12,870 --> 00:40:09,760
continents across oceans and showed them

1106
00:40:15,030 --> 00:40:12,880
a an f-18 fighter jet or an f-22 or some

1107
00:40:16,710 --> 00:40:15,040
of the cruise liners we have now and

1108
00:40:18,950 --> 00:40:16,720
said that these things still aren't

1109
00:40:20,630 --> 00:40:18,960
perfect people still die there are still

1110
00:40:23,190 --> 00:40:20,640
accidents that they wouldn't believe you

1111
00:40:25,030 --> 00:40:23,200
because of the leaping technology so

1112
00:40:26,950 --> 00:40:25,040
surely as you say something else just

1113
00:40:28,550 --> 00:40:26,960
because it's thousands or tens of

1114
00:40:29,670 --> 00:40:28,560
thousands of years potentially more

1115
00:40:31,589 --> 00:40:29,680
advanced

1116
00:40:33,270 --> 00:40:31,599
doesn't mean that they're infallible and

1117
00:40:34,630 --> 00:40:33,280
there may still be that that margin for

1118
00:40:36,950 --> 00:40:34,640
error it's it's an interesting

1119
00:40:38,630 --> 00:40:36,960
conversation though yeah yeah and that's

1120
00:40:39,990 --> 00:40:38,640
a good metaphor and in fact with a lot

1121
00:40:42,630 --> 00:40:40,000
of things with this theory i like to

1122
00:40:44,470 --> 00:40:42,640
think back just exactly how you did

1123
00:40:47,430 --> 00:40:44,480
and think well how would they look at us

1124
00:40:49,829 --> 00:40:47,440
now you know and i i mentioned in in my

1125
00:40:52,870 --> 00:40:49,839
first book that if we went back even in

1126
00:40:54,790 --> 00:40:52,880
an fa-18 or some other advanced craft

1127
00:40:57,510 --> 00:40:54,800
from our time period if we did have the

1128
00:41:00,150 --> 00:40:57,520
ability to manipulate space time and use

1129
00:41:00,950 --> 00:41:00,160
that as a time machine if we went back

1130
00:41:03,510 --> 00:41:00,960
to

1131
00:41:05,190 --> 00:41:03,520
100 years ago i mean we would look more

1132
00:41:06,630 --> 00:41:05,200
or less the same but our technology

1133
00:41:09,109 --> 00:41:06,640
would stand out but if we're talking

1134
00:41:11,349 --> 00:41:09,119
about going back to you know 50 or 60

1135
00:41:13,190 --> 00:41:11,359
000 years ago or eventually we can go

1136
00:41:16,069 --> 00:41:13,200
back even farther and to the time of

1137
00:41:17,829 --> 00:41:16,079
homo erectus clearly our technology is

1138
00:41:19,349 --> 00:41:17,839
entirely magical to them it's not

1139
00:41:21,190 --> 00:41:19,359
anything they can fathom within the

1140
00:41:22,470 --> 00:41:21,200
context of their stone tools and their

1141
00:41:24,150 --> 00:41:22,480
spears

1142
00:41:26,630 --> 00:41:24,160
but we also have many of the

1143
00:41:28,870 --> 00:41:26,640
characteristics that we ascribe to these

1144
00:41:30,870 --> 00:41:28,880
visitors with the relative hairlessness

1145
00:41:32,790 --> 00:41:30,880
the big heads and the small faces and

1146
00:41:35,030 --> 00:41:32,800
everything i mentioned earlier so

1147
00:41:37,910 --> 00:41:35,040
yeah i think i think there's a lot of

1148
00:41:39,990 --> 00:41:37,920
important ways we can um sort of break

1149
00:41:42,230 --> 00:41:40,000
apart this idea and understand it in the

1150
00:41:43,910 --> 00:41:42,240
context of looking back

1151
00:41:45,430 --> 00:41:43,920
in the same way that we may potentially

1152
00:41:47,430 --> 00:41:45,440
be able to look forward every time they

1153
00:41:50,069 --> 00:41:47,440
come back to our time

1154
00:41:52,150 --> 00:41:50,079
now from technology to psychedelics i

1155
00:41:53,109 --> 00:41:52,160
want to change the discussion just very

1156
00:41:54,790 --> 00:41:53,119
slightly

1157
00:41:56,550 --> 00:41:54,800
psychedelics are something that we've

1158
00:41:58,630 --> 00:41:56,560
talked about on the podcast a few times

1159
00:42:01,109 --> 00:41:58,640
recently and there's a lot of studies

1160
00:42:03,349 --> 00:42:01,119
going on now and the the research is

1161
00:42:05,190 --> 00:42:03,359
currently finding or defining language

1162
00:42:06,470 --> 00:42:05,200
for how these different substances

1163
00:42:08,470 --> 00:42:06,480
affect us

1164
00:42:10,790 --> 00:42:08,480
amongst other things they seem to affect

1165
00:42:13,109 --> 00:42:10,800
our perception of time people report

1166
00:42:15,030 --> 00:42:13,119
meeting entities all very similar to

1167
00:42:17,030 --> 00:42:15,040
each other what are the chances that

1168
00:42:19,190 --> 00:42:17,040
some of these entities are are real

1169
00:42:23,270 --> 00:42:19,200
beings who exist outside of our usual

1170
00:42:26,230 --> 00:42:24,309
well

1171
00:42:29,030 --> 00:42:26,240
yeah it kind of comes back to what you

1172
00:42:31,030 --> 00:42:29,040
mentioned earlier with um

1173
00:42:33,510 --> 00:42:31,040
whether they could be some sort of

1174
00:42:35,270 --> 00:42:33,520
energy aspect of our environment

1175
00:42:39,030 --> 00:42:35,280
um and and

1176
00:42:42,430 --> 00:42:39,040
clearly the effects of of psilocybin lsd

1177
00:42:44,630 --> 00:42:42,440
dmt and a number of other mind-altering

1178
00:42:46,950 --> 00:42:44,640
drugs um

1179
00:42:48,150 --> 00:42:46,960
aren't fully understood

1180
00:42:49,670 --> 00:42:48,160
as far as

1181
00:42:50,870 --> 00:42:49,680
what happens

1182
00:42:52,950 --> 00:42:50,880
where

1183
00:42:54,470 --> 00:42:52,960
not just in our physical reality but

1184
00:42:55,910 --> 00:42:54,480
with our consciousness and part of

1185
00:42:57,750 --> 00:42:55,920
that's because we don't yet understand

1186
00:42:59,030 --> 00:42:57,760
consciousness so we certainly can't

1187
00:43:01,190 --> 00:42:59,040
understand how

1188
00:43:02,630 --> 00:43:01,200
a physical drug affects something that

1189
00:43:04,150 --> 00:43:02,640
seems to be

1190
00:43:06,470 --> 00:43:04,160
at least if you're a non-materialist

1191
00:43:07,750 --> 00:43:06,480
something that exists outside of space

1192
00:43:10,230 --> 00:43:07,760
and time to start with and a lot of

1193
00:43:12,550 --> 00:43:10,240
near-death experiences sort of indicate

1194
00:43:14,550 --> 00:43:12,560
this as well where you'll have people

1195
00:43:17,349 --> 00:43:14,560
once they leave their bodies are

1196
00:43:19,829 --> 00:43:17,359
essentially unbound by space and time

1197
00:43:22,550 --> 00:43:19,839
they can move instantly to all these

1198
00:43:23,670 --> 00:43:22,560
different places or different times

1199
00:43:26,710 --> 00:43:23,680
people that are

1200
00:43:28,950 --> 00:43:26,720
reborn in other bodies

1201
00:43:31,030 --> 00:43:28,960
past lives i never used to believe in

1202
00:43:32,630 --> 00:43:31,040
that but i started researching it with

1203
00:43:35,109 --> 00:43:32,640
an open mind and there's a number of

1204
00:43:37,349 --> 00:43:35,119
cases that suggest that people from the

1205
00:43:39,270 --> 00:43:37,359
past their consciousness leaves that

1206
00:43:40,309 --> 00:43:39,280
physical form and enters another one at

1207
00:43:42,069 --> 00:43:40,319
a different time and if our

1208
00:43:43,670 --> 00:43:42,079
consciousness is unbound from space-time

1209
00:43:44,870 --> 00:43:43,680
why couldn't that happen it's no

1210
00:43:46,470 --> 00:43:44,880
different than

1211
00:43:47,829 --> 00:43:46,480
going to a different body in your own

1212
00:43:50,309 --> 00:43:47,839
time um

1213
00:43:52,710 --> 00:43:50,319
so i think we're really going to have to

1214
00:43:54,630 --> 00:43:52,720
fully understand our consciousness and

1215
00:43:56,550 --> 00:43:54,640
in order to really

1216
00:43:58,630 --> 00:43:56,560
understand

1217
00:43:59,910 --> 00:43:58,640
what's happening when we take these

1218
00:44:02,790 --> 00:43:59,920
drugs

1219
00:44:05,910 --> 00:44:02,800
they they clearly have an effect

1220
00:44:06,630 --> 00:44:05,920
on our perception of time um

1221
00:44:09,270 --> 00:44:06,640
but

1222
00:44:12,710 --> 00:44:09,280
it's much more than that too um

1223
00:44:15,030 --> 00:44:12,720
all perceptions are are changed so

1224
00:44:17,109 --> 00:44:15,040
i i think one one thing

1225
00:44:17,990 --> 00:44:17,119
that's important to consider too is is

1226
00:44:20,470 --> 00:44:18,000
that

1227
00:44:24,230 --> 00:44:20,480
within the black universe there isn't

1228
00:44:25,750 --> 00:44:24,240
really change in the way we perceive it

1229
00:44:28,309 --> 00:44:25,760
there are different states in fact a

1230
00:44:30,470 --> 00:44:28,319
physicist there in the uk where you are

1231
00:44:32,550 --> 00:44:30,480
julian barber thinks that there's no

1232
00:44:34,950 --> 00:44:32,560
such thing as as change even

1233
00:44:36,870 --> 00:44:34,960
everything's static there is no time in

1234
00:44:39,990 --> 00:44:36,880
the way that we perceive it but clearly

1235
00:44:41,190 --> 00:44:40,000
we sense things and einstein once said

1236
00:44:44,230 --> 00:44:41,200
you know this this idea of this

1237
00:44:46,150 --> 00:44:44,240
universal now or this static space time

1238
00:44:49,270 --> 00:44:46,160
is is how could we understand how could

1239
00:44:50,470 --> 00:44:49,280
we move through it um we we need

1240
00:44:52,950 --> 00:44:50,480
this this

1241
00:44:54,309 --> 00:44:52,960
time this perception of time just to be

1242
00:44:56,069 --> 00:44:54,319
able to operate in the universe around

1243
00:44:56,870 --> 00:44:56,079
us and all of our cells have clocks in

1244
00:44:59,109 --> 00:44:56,880
them

1245
00:45:01,430 --> 00:44:59,119
uh we have this circadian rhythm that

1246
00:45:03,349 --> 00:45:01,440
that matches up with the way our earth

1247
00:45:06,150 --> 00:45:03,359
spins and the way it goes around the sun

1248
00:45:08,550 --> 00:45:06,160
so um we clearly have a sense of time

1249
00:45:10,950 --> 00:45:08,560
that we've evolved to be able to exist

1250
00:45:11,670 --> 00:45:10,960
in this environment that we've evolved

1251
00:45:13,510 --> 00:45:11,680
in

1252
00:45:16,790 --> 00:45:13,520
but that isn't necessarily the same

1253
00:45:18,710 --> 00:45:16,800
thing as whatever time is this

1254
00:45:21,270 --> 00:45:18,720
non-quantized

1255
00:45:23,990 --> 00:45:21,280
entity this emergent phenomenon

1256
00:45:26,950 --> 00:45:24,000
um so so i think

1257
00:45:29,349 --> 00:45:26,960
yeah the psychedelic question it's it's

1258
00:45:31,589 --> 00:45:29,359
still just a lot of questions i'm

1259
00:45:33,190 --> 00:45:31,599
it's fascinating i would personally be

1260
00:45:34,790 --> 00:45:33,200
really interested in doing research in

1261
00:45:36,470 --> 00:45:34,800
that field and we're starting to break

1262
00:45:39,030 --> 00:45:36,480
down some of the barriers

1263
00:45:41,109 --> 00:45:39,040
that have been imposed since the 1970s

1264
00:45:43,670 --> 00:45:41,119
mostly because there was active research

1265
00:45:45,510 --> 00:45:43,680
in the 50s and 60s but nixon shut that

1266
00:45:46,710 --> 00:45:45,520
down here in the u.s and that affected a

1267
00:45:48,309 --> 00:45:46,720
lot of other

1268
00:45:49,910 --> 00:45:48,319
countries as well

1269
00:45:51,910 --> 00:45:49,920
but yeah i think it's fascinating and

1270
00:45:53,430 --> 00:45:51,920
honestly i think we'll we'll get a lot

1271
00:45:54,630 --> 00:45:53,440
of answers to

1272
00:45:56,630 --> 00:45:54,640
the consciousness question and

1273
00:45:59,109 --> 00:45:56,640
potentially the the ufo question what

1274
00:46:01,109 --> 00:45:59,119
these entities are do they exist beyond

1275
00:46:02,390 --> 00:46:01,119
our physical world

1276
00:46:03,430 --> 00:46:02,400
as yeah a lot of people especially with

1277
00:46:05,109 --> 00:46:03,440
dmt

1278
00:46:07,349 --> 00:46:05,119
report having

1279
00:46:09,109 --> 00:46:07,359
encounters with them and very similar

1280
00:46:12,230 --> 00:46:09,119
ones to what are described in actual

1281
00:46:14,390 --> 00:46:12,240
physical ufo encounters so

1282
00:46:17,190 --> 00:46:14,400
yeah i'll be interested to see how that

1283
00:46:19,510 --> 00:46:17,200
pans out hopefully it happens soon

1284
00:46:22,309 --> 00:46:19,520
which areas of study are you are you

1285
00:46:24,390 --> 00:46:22,319
most excited about in terms of our

1286
00:46:26,309 --> 00:46:24,400
understanding of the phenomenon do you

1287
00:46:29,190 --> 00:46:26,319
think that next leap or understanding

1288
00:46:31,910 --> 00:46:29,200
will be in science technology medicine

1289
00:46:33,910 --> 00:46:31,920
or something else

1290
00:46:35,910 --> 00:46:33,920
um

1291
00:46:37,030 --> 00:46:35,920
yeah i don't know i mean i'm just

1292
00:46:38,309 --> 00:46:37,040
excited about everything that's

1293
00:46:39,670 --> 00:46:38,319
happening right now i think it's

1294
00:46:42,390 --> 00:46:39,680
fantastic

1295
00:46:44,230 --> 00:46:42,400
there's so much going on and

1296
00:46:46,470 --> 00:46:44,240
we are starting to break down the

1297
00:46:48,230 --> 00:46:46,480
barriers that kept us from being able to

1298
00:46:50,150 --> 00:46:48,240
study this

1299
00:46:52,550 --> 00:46:50,160
in the academic community the scientific

1300
00:46:55,670 --> 00:46:52,560
community and you have people taking

1301
00:46:59,270 --> 00:46:55,680
this seriously and and asking questions

1302
00:47:00,710 --> 00:46:59,280
developing testable hypotheses um

1303
00:47:02,309 --> 00:47:00,720
and and yeah i think

1304
00:47:04,309 --> 00:47:02,319
for me

1305
00:47:06,630 --> 00:47:04,319
and i'm i'm actually hopeful that i get

1306
00:47:09,109 --> 00:47:06,640
to do this there's a potential that

1307
00:47:11,030 --> 00:47:09,119
uh i might with a project i'm working on

1308
00:47:14,790 --> 00:47:11,040
developing with some folks

1309
00:47:17,670 --> 00:47:14,800
is is looking at the the brains

1310
00:47:21,030 --> 00:47:17,680
of contactees and abductees doing

1311
00:47:22,950 --> 00:47:21,040
functional mri studies and and and this

1312
00:47:25,510 --> 00:47:22,960
you can make many testable hypotheses

1313
00:47:27,109 --> 00:47:25,520
related to this have double-blind study

1314
00:47:29,510 --> 00:47:27,119
control groups

1315
00:47:30,710 --> 00:47:29,520
and then have this experimental group

1316
00:47:32,390 --> 00:47:30,720
and see

1317
00:47:35,109 --> 00:47:32,400
if there are physical differences in

1318
00:47:37,430 --> 00:47:35,119
their brains just in a static state and

1319
00:47:39,589 --> 00:47:37,440
also when they're

1320
00:47:41,670 --> 00:47:39,599
using telepathic abilities or

1321
00:47:44,150 --> 00:47:41,680
precognition or

1322
00:47:45,910 --> 00:47:44,160
remote viewing or any of these things a

1323
00:47:47,430 --> 00:47:45,920
lot of these people who

1324
00:47:52,069 --> 00:47:47,440
have had

1325
00:47:54,470 --> 00:47:52,079
contact and potentially hybridizations

1326
00:47:55,430 --> 00:47:54,480
that took place with these uh future

1327
00:47:57,030 --> 00:47:55,440
humans

1328
00:47:59,510 --> 00:47:57,040
and and are their brains different you'd

1329
00:48:01,910 --> 00:47:59,520
be able to see that in the mris of of

1330
00:48:03,270 --> 00:48:01,920
these individuals so you know that's a

1331
00:48:04,470 --> 00:48:03,280
question you could never write a grant

1332
00:48:06,790 --> 00:48:04,480
for

1333
00:48:08,390 --> 00:48:06,800
in the past but maybe in the next five

1334
00:48:10,390 --> 00:48:08,400
to ten years you could write a grant get

1335
00:48:12,470 --> 00:48:10,400
money to do that so that that's very

1336
00:48:13,910 --> 00:48:12,480
exciting to me just seeing the stigma

1337
00:48:16,950 --> 00:48:13,920
and the shame

1338
00:48:19,430 --> 00:48:16,960
that's uh permeated this this phenomenon

1339
00:48:21,910 --> 00:48:19,440
for so long start to wane finally after

1340
00:48:24,630 --> 00:48:21,920
all these years is uh extremely

1341
00:48:26,710 --> 00:48:24,640
encouraging very exciting

1342
00:48:28,630 --> 00:48:26,720
that's a beautiful segway

1343
00:48:30,150 --> 00:48:28,640
it's a beautiful segway before my my

1344
00:48:31,990 --> 00:48:30,160
last question before some listener

1345
00:48:34,630 --> 00:48:32,000
questions for you as um

1346
00:48:37,349 --> 00:48:34,640
professor avi loeb of harvard has had

1347
00:48:39,109 --> 00:48:37,359
some harsh criticism from his colleagues

1348
00:48:41,430 --> 00:48:39,119
for even entertaining the subject of

1349
00:48:43,670 --> 00:48:41,440
ufos and one of his zoom meetings was

1350
00:48:45,589 --> 00:48:43,680
put out there where he gets uh

1351
00:48:47,750 --> 00:48:45,599
very very harshly shot down by one of

1352
00:48:50,470 --> 00:48:47,760
his colleagues again for for what they

1353
00:48:52,870 --> 00:48:50,480
see as a nonsense subject how have your

1354
00:48:56,230 --> 00:48:52,880
colleagues been in terms of your book

1355
00:48:58,069 --> 00:48:56,240
and your pursuit of this subject

1356
00:49:00,390 --> 00:48:58,079
uh it's been very different

1357
00:49:02,630 --> 00:49:00,400
uh quite positive actually it's

1358
00:49:04,230 --> 00:49:02,640
unfortunate that that happened to him

1359
00:49:05,910 --> 00:49:04,240
and it's still happening john mack

1360
00:49:07,190 --> 00:49:05,920
experienced the same thing at that same

1361
00:49:09,109 --> 00:49:07,200
institution

1362
00:49:11,349 --> 00:49:09,119
unfortunately um

1363
00:49:12,950 --> 00:49:11,359
but no it's been quite positive for me i

1364
00:49:17,030 --> 00:49:12,960
have a long track record of of

1365
00:49:19,190 --> 00:49:17,040
publishing and respected journals um

1366
00:49:21,270 --> 00:49:19,200
you know frontiers in neuroscience and

1367
00:49:23,589 --> 00:49:21,280
and other journals like that

1368
00:49:26,710 --> 00:49:23,599
so when i started researching this i

1369
00:49:29,109 --> 00:49:26,720
people knew my work they knew me and

1370
00:49:31,030 --> 00:49:29,119
knew i wasn't just flying off the handle

1371
00:49:32,549 --> 00:49:31,040
and doing something crazy and obviously

1372
00:49:33,910 --> 00:49:32,559
you know avi have

1373
00:49:37,109 --> 00:49:33,920
has the same

1374
00:49:39,430 --> 00:49:37,119
a much longer uh track record of of

1375
00:49:40,870 --> 00:49:39,440
publishing and academic research and

1376
00:49:43,349 --> 00:49:40,880
scholarship so

1377
00:49:45,589 --> 00:49:43,359
uh i think it has to do more with

1378
00:49:46,950 --> 00:49:45,599
the people involved

1379
00:49:48,790 --> 00:49:46,960
i've been fortunate that there's a lot

1380
00:49:51,270 --> 00:49:48,800
of open-minded colleagues at my

1381
00:49:52,309 --> 00:49:51,280
university they've very much embraced

1382
00:49:54,950 --> 00:49:52,319
this

1383
00:49:57,510 --> 00:49:54,960
book in fact they the cover is

1384
00:49:59,430 --> 00:49:57,520
right and when you walk in the door of

1385
00:50:01,910 --> 00:49:59,440
uh the building where my office is with

1386
00:50:04,150 --> 00:50:01,920
all of the other books that that faculty

1387
00:50:06,390 --> 00:50:04,160
have published within my department so

1388
00:50:09,910 --> 00:50:06,400
uh they asked me to teach a class about

1389
00:50:11,670 --> 00:50:09,920
the book to an honors uh class going

1390
00:50:13,829 --> 00:50:11,680
through each chapter week by week and

1391
00:50:16,630 --> 00:50:13,839
breaking it down

1392
00:50:18,309 --> 00:50:16,640
so yeah it's been quite positive when my

1393
00:50:20,630 --> 00:50:18,319
book release happened

1394
00:50:22,870 --> 00:50:20,640
in 2019 i'd say 40 percent of people

1395
00:50:25,109 --> 00:50:22,880
there had masters or phd's

1396
00:50:27,030 --> 00:50:25,119
um so it's it's been very

1397
00:50:27,990 --> 00:50:27,040
very positive of course there's always

1398
00:50:30,309 --> 00:50:28,000
going to be people who have that

1399
00:50:32,470 --> 00:50:30,319
knee-jerk reaction largely because of

1400
00:50:34,710 --> 00:50:32,480
the stigma especially if they're older

1401
00:50:36,790 --> 00:50:34,720
because they lived through that period

1402
00:50:39,430 --> 00:50:36,800
where project grudge and project blue

1403
00:50:41,589 --> 00:50:39,440
book were really forcing

1404
00:50:44,150 --> 00:50:41,599
this the zeitgeist where you're not

1405
00:50:46,390 --> 00:50:44,160
allowed to talk about it it's it's of

1406
00:50:48,230 --> 00:50:46,400
course shameful everybody it's not even

1407
00:50:50,470 --> 00:50:48,240
real and if it is real then you know

1408
00:50:52,549 --> 00:50:50,480
everybody that has these experiences

1409
00:50:54,950 --> 00:50:52,559
must be crazy or hallucinating or have

1410
00:50:56,150 --> 00:50:54,960
ptsd or whatever so that was forced down

1411
00:50:58,870 --> 00:50:56,160
their throat for a long time i

1412
00:51:01,190 --> 00:50:58,880
understand where that is coming from

1413
00:51:02,790 --> 00:51:01,200
but it's also time to get over that it

1414
00:51:05,430 --> 00:51:02,800
is a real phenomenon

1415
00:51:07,670 --> 00:51:05,440
we we have confirmation of that from the

1416
00:51:08,710 --> 00:51:07,680
highest levels in the united states

1417
00:51:11,349 --> 00:51:08,720
government

1418
00:51:13,109 --> 00:51:11,359
so let's start trying to figure out

1419
00:51:15,109 --> 00:51:13,119
what's going on let's figure out what

1420
00:51:16,630 --> 00:51:15,119
these things are where they're coming

1421
00:51:18,870 --> 00:51:16,640
from potentially when they're coming

1422
00:51:21,349 --> 00:51:18,880
from who's driving these things what

1423
00:51:22,630 --> 00:51:21,359
their intentions are we we can start

1424
00:51:24,390 --> 00:51:22,640
asking these questions there's always

1425
00:51:26,230 --> 00:51:24,400
going to be detractors there's always

1426
00:51:28,309 --> 00:51:26,240
going to be close-minded people

1427
00:51:30,470 --> 00:51:28,319
but uh this is potentially one of the

1428
00:51:31,910 --> 00:51:30,480
biggest questions of our time so we need

1429
00:51:33,190 --> 00:51:31,920
to get over that

1430
00:51:35,829 --> 00:51:33,200
it's great to hear you've had that

1431
00:51:37,270 --> 00:51:35,839
positive experience as well and i want

1432
00:51:38,950 --> 00:51:37,280
to get to some listener questions to

1433
00:51:40,549 --> 00:51:38,960
make the most of the last part of our

1434
00:51:43,589 --> 00:51:40,559
time dr masters

1435
00:51:46,390 --> 00:51:43,599
the first one is from newman newman asks

1436
00:51:47,750 --> 00:51:46,400
what are dr masters thoughts on cattle

1437
00:51:49,589 --> 00:51:47,760
mutilations

1438
00:51:51,430 --> 00:51:49,599
have you got any suspicion on why the

1439
00:51:54,150 --> 00:51:51,440
phenomenon seems to be interested in

1440
00:51:56,549 --> 00:51:54,160
extracting oddly specific tissues within

1441
00:51:58,150 --> 00:51:56,559
these events and also have you heard of

1442
00:52:00,470 --> 00:51:58,160
calm kelleher's theory that someone is

1443
00:52:02,390 --> 00:52:00,480
potentially tracking diseases through

1444
00:52:05,430 --> 00:52:02,400
our food chain and that's why they're

1445
00:52:07,510 --> 00:52:05,440
checking out for example cattle

1446
00:52:10,309 --> 00:52:07,520
well it's certainly possible but it's

1447
00:52:14,150 --> 00:52:10,319
not just cattle um i'm actually working

1448
00:52:16,549 --> 00:52:14,160
with someone a collaborator in canada

1449
00:52:18,309 --> 00:52:16,559
and we're compiling a massive database

1450
00:52:21,109 --> 00:52:18,319
of animal mutilations throughout the

1451
00:52:23,430 --> 00:52:21,119
world and for as long as we can go back

1452
00:52:25,349 --> 00:52:23,440
and find um

1453
00:52:26,790 --> 00:52:25,359
fine stories about them

1454
00:52:28,230 --> 00:52:26,800
there's actually just recently there are

1455
00:52:30,470 --> 00:52:28,240
a number of horses

1456
00:52:32,150 --> 00:52:30,480
throughout france and the e-horse there

1457
00:52:34,230 --> 00:52:32,160
so i guess that still counts as the food

1458
00:52:36,390 --> 00:52:34,240
chain but in um

1459
00:52:38,630 --> 00:52:36,400
in the vancouver area somewhere on the

1460
00:52:40,710 --> 00:52:38,640
west coast to for exactly where it was

1461
00:52:43,109 --> 00:52:40,720
there were these long lines of sea lions

1462
00:52:44,870 --> 00:52:43,119
that were picked up same types of of

1463
00:52:46,870 --> 00:52:44,880
mutilations that you have these holes in

1464
00:52:49,670 --> 00:52:46,880
their abdomens drained of blood no blood

1465
00:52:52,549 --> 00:52:49,680
anywhere around and then dropped in this

1466
00:52:55,190 --> 00:52:52,559
line which is very similar to a lot of

1467
00:52:57,109 --> 00:52:55,200
these other mutilation events so

1468
00:52:59,750 --> 00:52:57,119
um that could certainly be a part of it

1469
00:53:03,270 --> 00:52:59,760
it could be tracking some aspect of our

1470
00:53:06,069 --> 00:53:03,280
environmental contaminants or diseases

1471
00:53:08,790 --> 00:53:06,079
um with regard to cows you know you have

1472
00:53:10,069 --> 00:53:08,800
prion diseases like mad cow disease so

1473
00:53:11,589 --> 00:53:10,079
that's certainly something to consider

1474
00:53:13,829 --> 00:53:11,599
but the fact that it happens to all of

1475
00:53:16,670 --> 00:53:13,839
these different animals and has through

1476
00:53:18,950 --> 00:53:16,680
time could still be an aspect of testing

1477
00:53:21,270 --> 00:53:18,960
bioaccumulations of toxins in our

1478
00:53:22,390 --> 00:53:21,280
environment as we we do now we test for

1479
00:53:24,950 --> 00:53:22,400
those things

1480
00:53:26,470 --> 00:53:24,960
currently or it could serve some purpose

1481
00:53:29,109 --> 00:53:26,480
for them

1482
00:53:31,750 --> 00:53:29,119
they may be using those tissues for part

1483
00:53:34,069 --> 00:53:31,760
of their their incubation systems that

1484
00:53:35,829 --> 00:53:34,079
are so commonly reported or

1485
00:53:38,390 --> 00:53:35,839
and interestingly many cases they are

1486
00:53:39,829 --> 00:53:38,400
described floating in a pinkish liquid

1487
00:53:41,109 --> 00:53:39,839
so if they're draining the blood from

1488
00:53:42,950 --> 00:53:41,119
all of these animals and there's

1489
00:53:45,990 --> 00:53:42,960
nutrients in that blood i'm just

1490
00:53:48,150 --> 00:53:46,000
speculating wildly here but um you know

1491
00:53:50,630 --> 00:53:48,160
maybe that's used as as part of their

1492
00:53:52,870 --> 00:53:50,640
their incubation system for

1493
00:53:54,470 --> 00:53:52,880
uh the the people that they're making i

1494
00:53:56,950 --> 00:53:54,480
i really don't know but it is it is

1495
00:53:58,710 --> 00:53:56,960
fascinating and um that's actually

1496
00:54:02,069 --> 00:53:58,720
there's a good chance that's going to be

1497
00:54:04,630 --> 00:54:02,079
the main focus after the the next book

1498
00:54:07,030 --> 00:54:04,640
is is looking at the mutes and trying to

1499
00:54:09,829 --> 00:54:07,040
really wrap our heads around that we

1500
00:54:11,829 --> 00:54:09,839
even got some experiments planned um as

1501
00:54:14,069 --> 00:54:11,839
part of this this broader project that i

1502
00:54:15,349 --> 00:54:14,079
mentioned earlier so yeah i find it

1503
00:54:17,910 --> 00:54:15,359
incredibly fascinating i think the

1504
00:54:20,309 --> 00:54:17,920
mutilation aspect of the phenomenon is

1505
00:54:23,109 --> 00:54:20,319
um i don't know maybe it's it's part of

1506
00:54:24,710 --> 00:54:23,119
my anatomy background but it's uh yeah

1507
00:54:25,910 --> 00:54:24,720
it's really interesting very mysterious

1508
00:54:27,670 --> 00:54:25,920
as well

1509
00:54:30,309 --> 00:54:27,680
let me follow up on that and let me try

1510
00:54:32,950 --> 00:54:30,319
and work this properly do you think the

1511
00:54:35,430 --> 00:54:32,960
phenomenon or whichever entities are

1512
00:54:40,870 --> 00:54:35,440
responsible for abductions mutilations

1513
00:54:42,710 --> 00:54:40,880
or any sort of unwanted you know

1514
00:54:43,910 --> 00:54:42,720
interference with ourselves or you know

1515
00:54:46,150 --> 00:54:43,920
the planet

1516
00:54:49,030 --> 00:54:46,160
do they have any kind of responsibility

1517
00:54:51,030 --> 00:54:49,040
as we would not to to do that or

1518
00:54:53,670 --> 00:54:51,040
you know asking permission you know it's

1519
00:54:55,589 --> 00:54:53,680
very invasive or i i've often said dr

1520
00:54:57,430 --> 00:54:55,599
masters it's the equivalent of us

1521
00:54:59,190 --> 00:54:57,440
fishing we don't ask the fish permission

1522
00:55:00,710 --> 00:54:59,200
to take them out the water give them

1523
00:55:02,870 --> 00:55:00,720
that trauma take them out their natural

1524
00:55:04,309 --> 00:55:02,880
environment and then throw them back in

1525
00:55:07,270 --> 00:55:04,319
is it just the same but on that

1526
00:55:09,589 --> 00:55:07,280
evolutionary scale

1527
00:55:12,789 --> 00:55:09,599
well yeah it's quite possible um the

1528
00:55:14,470 --> 00:55:12,799
ethics question has come up a lot lately

1529
00:55:16,870 --> 00:55:14,480
for me um

1530
00:55:17,670 --> 00:55:16,880
especially in writing about abductions

1531
00:55:19,670 --> 00:55:17,680
and

1532
00:55:21,670 --> 00:55:19,680
these extractions that take place where

1533
00:55:24,390 --> 00:55:21,680
you have people impregnated against

1534
00:55:26,230 --> 00:55:24,400
their will and then developing fetuses

1535
00:55:27,510 --> 00:55:26,240
taken from them

1536
00:55:30,150 --> 00:55:27,520
at some point

1537
00:55:33,670 --> 00:55:30,160
shortly thereafter like that that's

1538
00:55:35,990 --> 00:55:33,680
it's highly unethical it violates um

1539
00:55:38,230 --> 00:55:36,000
human rights obviously we don't have

1540
00:55:39,829 --> 00:55:38,240
universal human rights and

1541
00:55:42,069 --> 00:55:39,839
you know there's a lot of things that

1542
00:55:43,589 --> 00:55:42,079
that humans do now that will consider

1543
00:55:45,990 --> 00:55:43,599
unethical in the future it wasn't that

1544
00:55:47,670 --> 00:55:46,000
long ago that we thought

1545
00:55:51,109 --> 00:55:47,680
certain people thought that they had the

1546
00:55:54,230 --> 00:55:51,119
right to enslave other people and uh

1547
00:55:55,910 --> 00:55:54,240
breed them in in similar ways so

1548
00:55:58,549 --> 00:55:55,920
yeah i don't know i mean

1549
00:56:01,789 --> 00:55:58,559
it seems like when you get into these

1550
00:56:04,789 --> 00:56:01,799
stories of of rape and

1551
00:56:07,190 --> 00:56:04,799
unwanted pregnancies and

1552
00:56:10,069 --> 00:56:07,200
uh mutilations that raises a lot of

1553
00:56:11,670 --> 00:56:10,079
ethical questions but it for a lot of

1554
00:56:13,910 --> 00:56:11,680
people i've found that makes them feel

1555
00:56:16,549 --> 00:56:13,920
better if it is humans

1556
00:56:18,309 --> 00:56:16,559
i met one individual the last time i was

1557
00:56:20,710 --> 00:56:18,319
in los angeles

1558
00:56:22,390 --> 00:56:20,720
who described how he was abducted

1559
00:56:24,630 --> 00:56:22,400
throughout his youth and subjected to

1560
00:56:26,950 --> 00:56:24,640
these animal probes which is very common

1561
00:56:29,349 --> 00:56:26,960
as well he said after reading my book he

1562
00:56:30,789 --> 00:56:29,359
suddenly felt better about it he thought

1563
00:56:33,430 --> 00:56:30,799
that these creatures coming from a

1564
00:56:36,789 --> 00:56:33,440
different planet taking us against our

1565
00:56:38,950 --> 00:56:36,799
will was somehow worse than people doing

1566
00:56:41,430 --> 00:56:38,960
it it's more similar to a doctor's visit

1567
00:56:42,870 --> 00:56:41,440
as he described it after reading this so

1568
00:56:44,950 --> 00:56:42,880
i i think

1569
00:56:46,230 --> 00:56:44,960
it's maybe a little less egregious if it

1570
00:56:49,109 --> 00:56:46,240
is people

1571
00:56:50,870 --> 00:56:49,119
uh i assume if it's research based or

1572
00:56:53,030 --> 00:56:50,880
to

1573
00:56:54,870 --> 00:56:53,040
fulfill some need that they have in the

1574
00:56:58,710 --> 00:56:54,880
future there's still going to be rules

1575
00:57:01,750 --> 00:56:58,720
and regulations but i'm guessing the

1576
00:57:03,990 --> 00:57:01,760
the needs of the many and the future

1577
00:57:06,870 --> 00:57:04,000
outweigh whatever cost it comes to

1578
00:57:08,710 --> 00:57:06,880
individuals in the past and they may

1579
00:57:11,670 --> 00:57:08,720
justify it that way that whatever

1580
00:57:13,829 --> 00:57:11,680
they're doing um whether it be for them

1581
00:57:14,789 --> 00:57:13,839
at their time or maybe for humanity as a

1582
00:57:17,349 --> 00:57:14,799
whole

1583
00:57:19,270 --> 00:57:17,359
uh can be justified based on the

1584
00:57:20,710 --> 00:57:19,280
sacrifices that

1585
00:57:23,349 --> 00:57:20,720
a number of people have to make in the

1586
00:57:26,470 --> 00:57:23,359
past obviously against their will

1587
00:57:28,789 --> 00:57:26,480
the next question is from tim he asks in

1588
00:57:31,030 --> 00:57:28,799
your anthropological works have you seen

1589
00:57:33,589 --> 00:57:31,040
any links or parallels with the stories

1590
00:57:35,030 --> 00:57:33,599
from ancient civilizations and any

1591
00:57:37,349 --> 00:57:35,040
knowledge they may have held about

1592
00:57:39,190 --> 00:57:37,359
humans existing in different times

1593
00:57:41,430 --> 00:57:39,200
biologically would we have looked

1594
00:57:43,349 --> 00:57:41,440
differently in the past

1595
00:57:45,510 --> 00:57:43,359
what was the first part of that

1596
00:57:47,589 --> 00:57:45,520
so in your works have you seen any links

1597
00:57:50,309 --> 00:57:47,599
or parallels with stories from ancient

1598
00:57:52,470 --> 00:57:50,319
civilizations and any knowledge they may

1599
00:57:55,109 --> 00:57:52,480
have held about humans existing in

1600
00:57:56,950 --> 00:57:55,119
different times

1601
00:57:58,630 --> 00:57:56,960
yeah um

1602
00:58:00,789 --> 00:57:58,640
there's i mean you obviously have a

1603
00:58:03,109 --> 00:58:00,799
number of cave paintings and carvings

1604
00:58:05,030 --> 00:58:03,119
and things that that depict

1605
00:58:07,589 --> 00:58:05,040
uh very similar beans to what are

1606
00:58:08,390 --> 00:58:07,599
described in modern ufo encounters and

1607
00:58:10,470 --> 00:58:08,400
especially

1608
00:58:13,109 --> 00:58:10,480
abductions and other very close

1609
00:58:14,870 --> 00:58:13,119
encounters but you do have um oro

1610
00:58:16,710 --> 00:58:14,880
legends as well

1611
00:58:19,510 --> 00:58:16,720
where you have these stories that are

1612
00:58:21,670 --> 00:58:19,520
passed down for generations that that

1613
00:58:24,710 --> 00:58:21,680
describe very similar things to what are

1614
00:58:26,630 --> 00:58:24,720
described now and um i'm writing about a

1615
00:58:28,069 --> 00:58:26,640
couple in my new book because i think

1616
00:58:30,549 --> 00:58:28,079
it's something that doesn't get talked

1617
00:58:32,710 --> 00:58:30,559
about as much there's always physical

1618
00:58:35,030 --> 00:58:32,720
things that are mentioned as having

1619
00:58:36,390 --> 00:58:35,040
something to do with this phenomenon

1620
00:58:38,549 --> 00:58:36,400
obviously the

1621
00:58:40,630 --> 00:58:38,559
intentional cranial modification that a

1622
00:58:42,710 --> 00:58:40,640
lot of groups have done throughout the

1623
00:58:44,309 --> 00:58:42,720
past independently in all of these

1624
00:58:46,870 --> 00:58:44,319
different parts of the world throughout

1625
00:58:49,190 --> 00:58:46,880
thousands tens of thousands of years

1626
00:58:51,510 --> 00:58:49,200
indicates that there there may have been

1627
00:58:53,589 --> 00:58:51,520
some common influence that they were and

1628
00:58:55,670 --> 00:58:53,599
in some cases they they even said that

1629
00:58:57,270 --> 00:58:55,680
their ancestors were instructed to do

1630
00:58:59,190 --> 00:58:57,280
this by the gods or they were trying to

1631
00:59:03,589 --> 00:58:59,200
look more like the gods

1632
00:59:05,750 --> 00:59:03,599
but oral legends don't often get um

1633
00:59:07,430 --> 00:59:05,760
talked about quite as much but there

1634
00:59:10,549 --> 00:59:07,440
there are a number of those and they do

1635
00:59:12,630 --> 00:59:10,559
describe very similar things specific to

1636
00:59:16,230 --> 00:59:12,640
tim's question i i can't think of any

1637
00:59:18,789 --> 00:59:16,240
where they state that these are people

1638
00:59:21,349 --> 00:59:18,799
from different times i think even now we

1639
00:59:23,910 --> 00:59:21,359
struggle with understanding

1640
00:59:25,990 --> 00:59:23,920
uh time and time travel in this

1641
00:59:28,150 --> 00:59:26,000
phenomenon in the context of time travel

1642
00:59:30,069 --> 00:59:28,160
i see a lot of debates online where i

1643
00:59:31,510 --> 00:59:30,079
want to jump in and clarify some things

1644
00:59:32,549 --> 00:59:31,520
but i just don't have the time to do

1645
00:59:35,270 --> 00:59:32,559
that

1646
00:59:37,349 --> 00:59:35,280
uh there's always lurking trolls i guess

1647
00:59:39,750 --> 00:59:37,359
too that you got to watch out for but

1648
00:59:40,789 --> 00:59:39,760
um no i think we're not even at a point

1649
00:59:43,589 --> 00:59:40,799
now

1650
00:59:45,510 --> 00:59:43,599
where this is just it seems very obvious

1651
00:59:47,349 --> 00:59:45,520
you know if you think about it a lot and

1652
00:59:49,829 --> 00:59:47,359
kind of work through the details but

1653
00:59:51,670 --> 00:59:49,839
when when you first are presented with

1654
00:59:53,910 --> 00:59:51,680
this theory

1655
00:59:56,069 --> 00:59:53,920
sometimes it just you know it doesn't

1656
00:59:58,069 --> 00:59:56,079
click right at first so i don't imagine

1657
01:00:01,270 --> 00:59:58,079
that people throughout the past who had

1658
01:00:03,589 --> 01:00:01,280
even less knowledge of time or the the

1659
01:00:04,549 --> 01:00:03,599
physics of time travel or what might

1660
01:00:06,870 --> 01:00:04,559
happen

1661
01:00:09,109 --> 01:00:06,880
logically if you

1662
01:00:10,789 --> 01:00:09,119
if you visit the past or intervene in

1663
01:00:12,710 --> 01:00:10,799
the past um

1664
01:00:15,030 --> 01:00:12,720
so i no i think and i think that might

1665
01:00:17,190 --> 01:00:15,040
help explain why the extraterrestrial

1666
01:00:19,109 --> 01:00:17,200
hypothesis has been the dominant model

1667
01:00:21,190 --> 01:00:19,119
for so long as well it's much simpler to

1668
01:00:23,109 --> 01:00:21,200
understand we see these stars we see

1669
01:00:25,030 --> 01:00:23,119
these craft coming down from the stars

1670
01:00:27,430 --> 01:00:25,040
they must have come from the stars it's

1671
01:00:28,870 --> 01:00:27,440
very intuitive in that respect but once

1672
01:00:30,549 --> 01:00:28,880
you start thinking about that one more

1673
01:00:33,109 --> 01:00:30,559
there are a number of problems

1674
01:00:35,190 --> 01:00:33,119
associated with the logistics of that

1675
01:00:37,430 --> 01:00:35,200
um it's almost like learning to ski or

1676
01:00:39,349 --> 01:00:37,440
learning to snowboard where the extra

1677
01:00:41,910 --> 01:00:39,359
tempestura model is more like

1678
01:00:43,910 --> 01:00:41,920
snowboarding you know it's it's hard to

1679
01:00:46,789 --> 01:00:43,920
learn but once you get it you can do it

1680
01:00:48,789 --> 01:00:46,799
with skiing it's easy to to do but it

1681
01:00:51,670 --> 01:00:48,799
takes a while to get good at so

1682
01:00:53,109 --> 01:00:51,680
um yeah i don't know i kind of forgot

1683
01:00:55,190 --> 01:00:53,119
the question was with my skiing

1684
01:00:57,670 --> 01:00:55,200
reference there no no that was okay it

1685
01:01:00,069 --> 01:00:57,680
was a good answer um next question is

1686
01:01:01,910 --> 01:01:00,079
from dave and dave wants to know have

1687
01:01:04,230 --> 01:01:01,920
you considered that instead of these

1688
01:01:06,309 --> 01:01:04,240
anatomically similar grays or others

1689
01:01:08,549 --> 01:01:06,319
coming from the future they're in fact

1690
01:01:10,870 --> 01:01:08,559
the human subspecies that branched off

1691
01:01:13,910 --> 01:01:10,880
from us in the past and potentially live

1692
01:01:16,150 --> 01:01:13,920
underground or underwater

1693
01:01:18,630 --> 01:01:16,160
yeah i've heard that a lot um i'm kind

1694
01:01:21,589 --> 01:01:18,640
of starting to think somebody wrote

1695
01:01:23,349 --> 01:01:21,599
about that or has been putting that idea

1696
01:01:24,470 --> 01:01:23,359
out there i haven't tracked down who it

1697
01:01:27,030 --> 01:01:24,480
is yet but

1698
01:01:29,190 --> 01:01:27,040
uh because i get asked that so much and

1699
01:01:31,349 --> 01:01:29,200
so many people seem to

1700
01:01:33,430 --> 01:01:31,359
think that i kind of feel like there

1701
01:01:35,990 --> 01:01:33,440
must be a common source but

1702
01:01:36,829 --> 01:01:36,000
there are some potential issues with

1703
01:01:40,789 --> 01:01:36,839
that

1704
01:01:43,510 --> 01:01:40,799
don't have any evidence in the

1705
01:01:44,789 --> 01:01:43,520
archaeological record for a more

1706
01:01:47,349 --> 01:01:44,799
advanced

1707
01:01:49,270 --> 01:01:47,359
hominin species at any point

1708
01:01:51,910 --> 01:01:49,280
like i mentioned earlier the technology

1709
01:01:53,589 --> 01:01:51,920
we have today are cell phones or mobile

1710
01:01:56,309 --> 01:01:53,599
phones um

1711
01:01:59,510 --> 01:01:56,319
our cars our jets everything is

1712
01:02:01,109 --> 01:01:59,520
descendant of these simple stone tools

1713
01:02:02,950 --> 01:02:01,119
that we invented around three million

1714
01:02:04,829 --> 01:02:02,960
years ago so because there's this

1715
01:02:07,349 --> 01:02:04,839
unbroken chain of technological

1716
01:02:09,589 --> 01:02:07,359
evolution but we don't see any branches

1717
01:02:11,430 --> 01:02:09,599
or offshoots where we had sort of a

1718
01:02:13,910 --> 01:02:11,440
parallel evolution or another group that

1719
01:02:16,630 --> 01:02:13,920
did this earlier and then left our

1720
01:02:19,430 --> 01:02:16,640
planet or when underground or somewhere

1721
01:02:20,870 --> 01:02:19,440
else there's really nothing to back that

1722
01:02:22,630 --> 01:02:20,880
up um

1723
01:02:24,549 --> 01:02:22,640
but also

1724
01:02:26,309 --> 01:02:24,559
it especially because

1725
01:02:27,910 --> 01:02:26,319
if that did happen

1726
01:02:29,990 --> 01:02:27,920
we would see it

1727
01:02:32,870 --> 01:02:30,000
you don't really see hunter gathers

1728
01:02:34,470 --> 01:02:32,880
encampments after a year or two they

1729
01:02:36,870 --> 01:02:34,480
they don't really leave much behind but

1730
01:02:40,870 --> 01:02:36,880
once you get to the point of agriculture

1731
01:02:42,710 --> 01:02:40,880
and um very advanced technologies those

1732
01:02:44,230 --> 01:02:42,720
the material culture that's left behind

1733
01:02:46,390 --> 01:02:44,240
in the archaeological record once you

1734
01:02:49,190 --> 01:02:46,400
get to that state of advanced

1735
01:02:51,190 --> 01:02:49,200
development that shows up all over the

1736
01:02:53,029 --> 01:02:51,200
place so we would definitely see that

1737
01:02:55,670 --> 01:02:53,039
it's hard to argue that it happened and

1738
01:02:58,630 --> 01:02:55,680
it just got lost somewhere or that this

1739
01:03:00,549 --> 01:02:58,640
one society developed and then

1740
01:03:02,069 --> 01:03:00,559
left we would see very clear traces of

1741
01:03:04,390 --> 01:03:02,079
that so no i don't i don't subscribe to

1742
01:03:06,069 --> 01:03:04,400
that theory

1743
01:03:07,829 --> 01:03:06,079
the next question

1744
01:03:09,349 --> 01:03:07,839
it's an interesting one and it seems

1745
01:03:10,789 --> 01:03:09,359
like it has an obvious answer but i

1746
01:03:13,589 --> 01:03:10,799
really want to hear your thoughts it's

1747
01:03:15,829 --> 01:03:13,599
again from dave he wants to know do you

1748
01:03:17,990 --> 01:03:15,839
think that these time traveling beings

1749
01:03:20,150 --> 01:03:18,000
could have come from our past instead of

1750
01:03:22,470 --> 01:03:20,160
the future and does your work in time

1751
01:03:26,069 --> 01:03:22,480
travel theories and or the direction of

1752
01:03:32,069 --> 01:03:28,630
you know again it comes down to this

1753
01:03:34,150 --> 01:03:32,079
this aspect of descent with modification

1754
01:03:36,950 --> 01:03:34,160
building uh on

1755
01:03:40,230 --> 01:03:36,960
the cumulative nature of not just our

1756
01:03:43,109 --> 01:03:40,240
technology but our our biological form

1757
01:03:45,109 --> 01:03:43,119
so in order to have these traits

1758
01:03:46,630 --> 01:03:45,119
if we can take these eyewitness accounts

1759
01:03:48,150 --> 01:03:46,640
seriously where people describe the

1760
01:03:51,430 --> 01:03:48,160
beans

1761
01:03:53,430 --> 01:03:51,440
associated with these these uaps uavs

1762
01:03:55,510 --> 01:03:53,440
ufos whatever you want to call them

1763
01:03:57,430 --> 01:03:55,520
they don't have any traits

1764
01:03:59,190 --> 01:03:57,440
characteristic of our past

1765
01:04:00,470 --> 01:03:59,200
but they do have traits consistent with

1766
01:04:02,789 --> 01:04:00,480
what we'd expect to see in our

1767
01:04:04,710 --> 01:04:02,799
evolutionary future if these same trends

1768
01:04:07,349 --> 01:04:04,720
continue regardless of whether we live

1769
01:04:09,670 --> 01:04:07,359
in space on mars underground

1770
01:04:10,710 --> 01:04:09,680
the bottom of the ocean wherever we we

1771
01:04:11,670 --> 01:04:10,720
have this

1772
01:04:14,710 --> 01:04:11,680
very

1773
01:04:18,630 --> 01:04:16,549
group of trends

1774
01:04:20,870 --> 01:04:18,640
physiological trends in our evolution

1775
01:04:23,190 --> 01:04:20,880
here on this planet that are likely to

1776
01:04:26,630 --> 01:04:23,200
continue regardless so

1777
01:04:28,630 --> 01:04:26,640
um yeah no i i think it would be

1778
01:04:30,630 --> 01:04:28,640
i don't really know how that would work

1779
01:04:32,470 --> 01:04:30,640
i can't think of any logical way in

1780
01:04:35,190 --> 01:04:32,480
which we would have something

1781
01:04:37,190 --> 01:04:35,200
more evolved that came from our past

1782
01:04:39,349 --> 01:04:37,200
specifically

1783
01:04:41,670 --> 01:04:39,359
next up josh wanted to know have you

1784
01:04:44,710 --> 01:04:41,680
spoken to journalist ross kiltart about

1785
01:04:48,069 --> 01:04:44,720
the future human theory

1786
01:04:50,710 --> 01:04:48,079
um not directly no we apparently are

1787
01:04:53,589 --> 01:04:50,720
talking to similar people if not the

1788
01:04:55,510 --> 01:04:53,599
same people i mentioned earlier that

1789
01:04:57,750 --> 01:04:55,520
uh somebody reached out to me in in

1790
01:04:59,029 --> 01:04:57,760
january of this year

1791
01:05:00,150 --> 01:04:59,039
and

1792
01:05:03,430 --> 01:05:00,160
laid out

1793
01:05:06,470 --> 01:05:03,440
the the ideas uh involving these

1794
01:05:07,990 --> 01:05:06,480
competing timelines and a cataclysm and

1795
01:05:10,150 --> 01:05:08,000
then uh frank milburn i have been

1796
01:05:13,430 --> 01:05:10,160
talking to him a lot about it we've been

1797
01:05:15,349 --> 01:05:13,440
having back and forth conversations for

1798
01:05:17,190 --> 01:05:15,359
a month or so now

1799
01:05:19,109 --> 01:05:17,200
and and i think we're

1800
01:05:23,270 --> 01:05:19,119
i think our sources at least one of our

1801
01:05:24,150 --> 01:05:23,280
sources is probably the same person so

1802
01:05:30,069 --> 01:05:24,160
we're

1803
01:05:33,270 --> 01:05:30,079
uh interacting with the idea but no i

1804
01:05:36,549 --> 01:05:33,280
haven't i haven't talked and talked to

1805
01:05:39,190 --> 01:05:36,559
ross specifically about that but um

1806
01:05:41,270 --> 01:05:39,200
i it's it's fascinating to consider i'm

1807
01:05:43,109 --> 01:05:41,280
kind of hoping that it's not the case

1808
01:05:45,190 --> 01:05:43,119
because you know who who wants a

1809
01:05:46,390 --> 01:05:45,200
cataclysm it sounds kind of

1810
01:05:47,829 --> 01:05:46,400
kind of horrible

1811
01:05:50,630 --> 01:05:47,839
um but

1812
01:05:52,150 --> 01:05:50,640
it's it's a really interesting idea um

1813
01:05:53,430 --> 01:05:52,160
in the especially in the context of the

1814
01:05:55,029 --> 01:05:53,440
multiverse the mini world's

1815
01:05:56,150 --> 01:05:55,039
interpretation of quantum mechanics

1816
01:05:58,470 --> 01:05:56,160
because

1817
01:06:00,150 --> 01:05:58,480
that would seem to be the only way this

1818
01:06:01,589 --> 01:06:00,160
could play out you wouldn't have a

1819
01:06:03,750 --> 01:06:01,599
situation like this in the block

1820
01:06:05,829 --> 01:06:03,760
universe but you could potentially have

1821
01:06:07,829 --> 01:06:05,839
something like that the multiverse

1822
01:06:09,910 --> 01:06:07,839
it's a nice coincidence that i i

1823
01:06:11,589 --> 01:06:09,920
interviewed ross colter last week uh

1824
01:06:13,750 --> 01:06:11,599
spoke to you today and i've got frank

1825
01:06:15,750 --> 01:06:13,760
melbourne tomorrow

1826
01:06:17,670 --> 01:06:15,760
yes an interesting little string that

1827
01:06:19,829 --> 01:06:17,680
wasn't planned out that way at all um

1828
01:06:21,670 --> 01:06:19,839
but that's a happy coincidence a couple

1829
01:06:23,109 --> 01:06:21,680
more questions before we finish off on

1830
01:06:26,069 --> 01:06:23,119
the quick fire i appreciate the time

1831
01:06:28,870 --> 01:06:26,079
you've given us um gnosis asks many

1832
01:06:31,510 --> 01:06:28,880
contactee reports from before the 70s

1833
01:06:33,109 --> 01:06:31,520
have very human looking aliens do you

1834
01:06:35,910 --> 01:06:33,119
believe time travelers may have

1835
01:06:38,309 --> 01:06:35,920
masqueraded as aliens during this era

1836
01:06:40,630 --> 01:06:38,319
because there was no cctv and video

1837
01:06:42,710 --> 01:06:40,640
recording it wasn't commonplace

1838
01:06:45,109 --> 01:06:42,720
where grays then brought in as a front

1839
01:06:47,510 --> 01:06:45,119
for the digital era travis walton

1840
01:06:49,190 --> 01:06:47,520
escaping his examination room says he

1841
01:06:52,470 --> 01:06:49,200
ran into a group of completely human

1842
01:06:54,710 --> 01:06:52,480
looking beings as you mentioned before

1843
01:06:57,109 --> 01:06:54,720
yeah and importantly those beans that he

1844
01:06:59,190 --> 01:06:57,119
encountered uh who

1845
01:07:02,630 --> 01:06:59,200
were apparently on security detail

1846
01:07:04,230 --> 01:07:02,640
because the a big imposing uh human man

1847
01:07:05,990 --> 01:07:04,240
came and got him when he was messing

1848
01:07:07,990 --> 01:07:06,000
with the controls

1849
01:07:09,349 --> 01:07:08,000
but then he was taken to another room

1850
01:07:11,190 --> 01:07:09,359
right before he was put to sleep and

1851
01:07:14,549 --> 01:07:11,200
then dropped off

1852
01:07:17,190 --> 01:07:14,559
near heber arizona but those individuals

1853
01:07:19,190 --> 01:07:17,200
all looked very similar he said which is

1854
01:07:21,109 --> 01:07:19,200
something that was described in terry

1855
01:07:23,829 --> 01:07:21,119
lovelace's account a number of others

1856
01:07:26,630 --> 01:07:23,839
too that they seem to have this familial

1857
01:07:28,549 --> 01:07:26,640
connection which also you would expect

1858
01:07:31,670 --> 01:07:28,559
if there was this active breeding

1859
01:07:32,789 --> 01:07:31,680
program taking place for whatever reason

1860
01:07:35,510 --> 01:07:32,799
um

1861
01:07:37,750 --> 01:07:35,520
so so yeah i think uh

1862
01:07:40,309 --> 01:07:37,760
you know there's you got to get into the

1863
01:07:43,670 --> 01:07:40,319
screen memories aspect of it too

1864
01:07:45,670 --> 01:07:43,680
you've got to get into um

1865
01:07:47,190 --> 01:07:45,680
what happens with kids you know a lot of

1866
01:07:48,950 --> 01:07:47,200
times they'll have these screen memories

1867
01:07:52,309 --> 01:07:48,960
of owls or

1868
01:07:54,309 --> 01:07:52,319
monkeys or disney characters or whatever

1869
01:07:56,789 --> 01:07:54,319
is is that that the beans were wearing

1870
01:07:58,789 --> 01:07:56,799
masks was it some manipulation of their

1871
01:07:59,910 --> 01:07:58,799
memory to make them remember things

1872
01:08:01,109 --> 01:07:59,920
differently

1873
01:08:03,109 --> 01:08:01,119
um

1874
01:08:06,150 --> 01:08:03,119
yeah or are they

1875
01:08:07,670 --> 01:08:06,160
actually more evolved humans um because

1876
01:08:09,510 --> 01:08:07,680
going back to the travis walton case

1877
01:08:11,829 --> 01:08:09,520
we'll just stick with that one for now

1878
01:08:12,710 --> 01:08:11,839
because he was being tended to

1879
01:08:13,670 --> 01:08:12,720
by

1880
01:08:15,990 --> 01:08:13,680
these

1881
01:08:18,470 --> 01:08:16,000
big-headed small-faced big-eyed humans

1882
01:08:20,229 --> 01:08:18,480
initially when he woke up and it's when

1883
01:08:22,950 --> 01:08:20,239
he freaked out and tried to fight them

1884
01:08:24,470 --> 01:08:22,960
that they sent in the humans but that

1885
01:08:27,269 --> 01:08:24,480
that it doesn't really indicate that

1886
01:08:30,870 --> 01:08:27,279
there was anything that they were hiding

1887
01:08:32,390 --> 01:08:30,880
or any reason to to make him think

1888
01:08:33,990 --> 01:08:32,400
that something happened differently it

1889
01:08:36,789 --> 01:08:34,000
just sort of seems like that's who they

1890
01:08:39,749 --> 01:08:36,799
were um and and most likely they were

1891
01:08:41,269 --> 01:08:39,759
the ones who were doing this research or

1892
01:08:43,110 --> 01:08:41,279
you know probably just fixing him

1893
01:08:45,269 --> 01:08:43,120
because he got hit by a

1894
01:08:47,510 --> 01:08:45,279
static electric discharge from the ship

1895
01:08:50,390 --> 01:08:47,520
so if they were attending to him

1896
01:08:53,910 --> 01:08:50,400
as people from the future and then they

1897
01:08:55,910 --> 01:08:53,920
needed more human looking people to come

1898
01:08:57,669 --> 01:08:55,920
get him out of there

1899
01:08:59,510 --> 01:08:57,679
it kind of makes sense why they would do

1900
01:09:01,110 --> 01:08:59,520
that because he wasn't intimidated he

1901
01:09:03,030 --> 01:09:01,120
wasn't afraid of this other person

1902
01:09:05,189 --> 01:09:03,040
because it looked just like him so

1903
01:09:07,430 --> 01:09:05,199
um no i i think i really do think that

1904
01:09:09,349 --> 01:09:07,440
that's just who they are um i think the

1905
01:09:10,390 --> 01:09:09,359
short grays are probably closer to us in

1906
01:09:12,309 --> 01:09:10,400
time

1907
01:09:14,550 --> 01:09:12,319
i think it honestly won't be very long

1908
01:09:17,030 --> 01:09:14,560
before we develop time travel technology

1909
01:09:19,510 --> 01:09:17,040
considering how human

1910
01:09:21,510 --> 01:09:19,520
a lot of these reports are especially

1911
01:09:23,669 --> 01:09:21,520
the ones before the 70s

1912
01:09:25,910 --> 01:09:23,679
um it kind of seems like

1913
01:09:27,590 --> 01:09:25,920
we're probably a lot closer to it than

1914
01:09:29,349 --> 01:09:27,600
any of us realize their their clothes

1915
01:09:31,189 --> 01:09:29,359
are similar technology is obviously more

1916
01:09:32,709 --> 01:09:31,199
advanced but pretty similar

1917
01:09:34,390 --> 01:09:32,719
so yeah i think i think it's temporal

1918
01:09:36,309 --> 01:09:34,400
ancestry for the most part just

1919
01:09:37,749 --> 01:09:36,319
different people from different times

1920
01:09:39,590 --> 01:09:37,759
may help explain some of the variation

1921
01:09:41,669 --> 01:09:39,600
in their ships too

1922
01:09:43,910 --> 01:09:41,679
matt would like to know do you believe

1923
01:09:47,829 --> 01:09:43,920
that there are any governments in

1924
01:09:50,390 --> 01:09:47,839
contact with our future selves

1925
01:09:53,189 --> 01:09:50,400
yeah i do actually um

1926
01:09:54,950 --> 01:09:53,199
that's it's one of those things where

1927
01:09:57,270 --> 01:09:54,960
it's hard to not sound like a crazy

1928
01:09:59,030 --> 01:09:57,280
conspiracy theorist but

1929
01:10:00,470 --> 01:09:59,040
there there's a lot

1930
01:10:02,550 --> 01:10:00,480
of

1931
01:10:04,870 --> 01:10:02,560
things that people

1932
01:10:06,470 --> 01:10:04,880
report especially when

1933
01:10:09,189 --> 01:10:06,480
whenever uh there's an encounter

1934
01:10:11,990 --> 01:10:09,199
involving military personnel there seems

1935
01:10:14,790 --> 01:10:12,000
to be sort of a protocol that they go

1936
01:10:17,350 --> 01:10:14,800
through and a lot of them terry loveless

1937
01:10:19,750 --> 01:10:17,360
talked about this a lot in his incident

1938
01:10:21,990 --> 01:10:19,760
at devil's den book where he was under

1939
01:10:23,910 --> 01:10:22,000
the oppression that the u.s air force

1940
01:10:25,910 --> 01:10:23,920
office of special investigations the

1941
01:10:28,149 --> 01:10:25,920
people that were interrogating him about

1942
01:10:29,750 --> 01:10:28,159
his encounter knew everything he was

1943
01:10:31,669 --> 01:10:29,760
saying already

1944
01:10:33,590 --> 01:10:31,679
about the moon base about the triangular

1945
01:10:34,709 --> 01:10:33,600
ship about the breeding programs that he

1946
01:10:35,510 --> 01:10:34,719
observed

1947
01:10:37,669 --> 01:10:35,520
so

1948
01:10:39,430 --> 01:10:37,679
yeah i mean if if we can take these

1949
01:10:42,390 --> 01:10:39,440
accounts seriously and people keep

1950
01:10:43,430 --> 01:10:42,400
saying the same things and are being

1951
01:10:48,709 --> 01:10:43,440
in

1952
01:10:50,310 --> 01:10:48,719
ways by similar people

1953
01:10:52,470 --> 01:10:50,320
it kind of makes you wonder if if

1954
01:10:54,950 --> 01:10:52,480
there's not already a large group that

1955
01:10:57,350 --> 01:10:54,960
are aware of this um there's that report

1956
01:10:59,270 --> 01:10:57,360
of eisenhower meeting with them

1957
01:11:01,590 --> 01:10:59,280
you know back in the 50s or whenever

1958
01:11:02,310 --> 01:11:01,600
that was about testing nuclear weapons

1959
01:11:04,310 --> 01:11:02,320
and

1960
01:11:06,390 --> 01:11:04,320
yeah maybe that's to protect the earth

1961
01:11:08,950 --> 01:11:06,400
uh type things we were blowing up bombs

1962
01:11:11,350 --> 01:11:08,960
like crazy back then

1963
01:11:12,870 --> 01:11:11,360
final listener question from charles and

1964
01:11:14,229 --> 01:11:12,880
again thank you to everyone there was a

1965
01:11:15,830 --> 01:11:14,239
lot more than that but i couldn't

1966
01:11:17,430 --> 01:11:15,840
obviously squeeze them all in or i would

1967
01:11:18,790 --> 01:11:17,440
have had a doctor masters for another

1968
01:11:21,189 --> 01:11:18,800
few hours

1969
01:11:23,110 --> 01:11:21,199
charles was wanting to know that he's

1970
01:11:25,830 --> 01:11:23,120
been looking at studying fault lines and

1971
01:11:28,229 --> 01:11:25,840
seismic activity and recently louise

1972
01:11:30,709 --> 01:11:28,239
elizondo mentioned on several podcasts

1973
01:11:32,790 --> 01:11:30,719
that there was a a sensor a very simple

1974
01:11:34,550 --> 01:11:32,800
piece of equipment that can detect

1975
01:11:36,630 --> 01:11:34,560
whether one of these objects had

1976
01:11:37,510 --> 01:11:36,640
appeared was going to appear or was

1977
01:11:38,550 --> 01:11:37,520
there

1978
01:11:40,630 --> 01:11:38,560
and

1979
01:11:43,030 --> 01:11:40,640
as of yet we've not found out what that

1980
01:11:44,950 --> 01:11:43,040
sensor was and charles wondered did you

1981
01:11:47,110 --> 01:11:44,960
have any thoughts on what that may be

1982
01:11:49,350 --> 01:11:47,120
charles wonders could the immense force

1983
01:11:52,550 --> 01:11:49,360
of tectonic plates cause dips into other

1984
01:11:54,950 --> 01:11:53,510
i mean

1985
01:11:58,470 --> 01:11:54,960
there's definitely a lot of force

1986
01:12:01,270 --> 01:11:58,480
associated with geologic activity uh can

1987
01:12:02,709 --> 01:12:01,280
create lightning ball lightning

1988
01:12:05,030 --> 01:12:02,719
obviously there's a lot of energy

1989
01:12:08,070 --> 01:12:05,040
released in association with volcanic

1990
01:12:10,630 --> 01:12:08,080
eruptions and and plate tectonic shifts

1991
01:12:12,310 --> 01:12:10,640
um yeah i don't know i mean there's

1992
01:12:16,630 --> 01:12:12,320
there also seems to be a correlation

1993
01:12:18,870 --> 01:12:16,640
between places that have uh

1994
01:12:20,870 --> 01:12:18,880
more electromagnetic

1995
01:12:23,430 --> 01:12:20,880
energy or sort of anomalies around the

1996
01:12:25,350 --> 01:12:23,440
earth steve mara in

1997
01:12:27,350 --> 01:12:25,360
the uk has talked about that a lot these

1998
01:12:29,750 --> 01:12:27,360
correlations between where sightings

1999
01:12:31,990 --> 01:12:29,760
take place most often and where

2000
01:12:34,149 --> 01:12:32,000
these uh electromagnetic anomalies are

2001
01:12:35,830 --> 01:12:34,159
so yeah possibly has something to do

2002
01:12:39,270 --> 01:12:35,840
with the earth's magnetic field or the

2003
01:12:41,870 --> 01:12:39,280
energy involved um it's hard to think

2004
01:12:44,470 --> 01:12:41,880
that it would necessarily cause some

2005
01:12:45,830 --> 01:12:44,480
inter-dimensional rift or anything like

2006
01:12:47,189 --> 01:12:45,840
that but

2007
01:12:48,790 --> 01:12:47,199
i don't know i don't

2008
01:12:51,189 --> 01:12:48,800
there's not a lot of evidence that there

2009
01:12:53,990 --> 01:12:51,199
are higher dimensions most physicists

2010
01:12:55,510 --> 01:12:54,000
currently don't think they exist but if

2011
01:12:56,550 --> 01:12:55,520
they do

2012
01:12:58,709 --> 01:12:56,560
it

2013
01:13:00,310 --> 01:12:58,719
transcending that would probably take a

2014
01:13:01,830 --> 01:13:00,320
very high amount of energy so if you're

2015
01:13:03,350 --> 01:13:01,840
going to get it anywhere it might be

2016
01:13:05,510 --> 01:13:03,360
around a

2017
01:13:07,270 --> 01:13:05,520
plate boundaries

2018
01:13:09,110 --> 01:13:07,280
excellent again thank you to everyone

2019
01:13:10,709 --> 01:13:09,120
who submitted questions just before you

2020
01:13:12,709 --> 01:13:10,719
go dr masters i'd like to get your

2021
01:13:14,550 --> 01:13:12,719
thoughts on our quick fire round on just

2022
01:13:16,390 --> 01:13:14,560
a few subjects we've not touched on on

2023
01:13:19,110 --> 01:13:16,400
the body of the interview you can say as

2024
01:13:20,950 --> 01:13:19,120
little or as much as you want on each

2025
01:13:22,870 --> 01:13:20,960
the first one is your thoughts on the

2026
01:13:26,070 --> 01:13:22,880
gillibrand amendment which has just gone

2027
01:13:27,590 --> 01:13:26,080
through the u.s senate

2028
01:13:30,149 --> 01:13:27,600
oh yeah it's great

2029
01:13:32,070 --> 01:13:30,159
i wrote my senator and said please

2030
01:13:35,910 --> 01:13:32,080
support this and he actually wrote back

2031
01:13:39,430 --> 01:13:35,920
um senator john tester of montana wrote

2032
01:13:40,870 --> 01:13:39,440
back specifically about that ufo aspect

2033
01:13:43,189 --> 01:13:40,880
of the um

2034
01:13:44,550 --> 01:13:43,199
the defense bill and um said he'd

2035
01:13:47,350 --> 01:13:44,560
support it so

2036
01:13:50,149 --> 01:13:47,360
uh i think she has broad support from

2037
01:13:52,870 --> 01:13:50,159
both sides of the aisle um so yeah great

2038
01:13:54,149 --> 01:13:52,880
to see i'm hopeful that something comes

2039
01:13:55,189 --> 01:13:54,159
out of it and we start to get more

2040
01:13:56,950 --> 01:13:55,199
answers

2041
01:13:58,709 --> 01:13:56,960
it looks like this afternoon it was it

2042
01:14:01,189 --> 01:13:58,719
was passed and uh it's going to be on

2043
01:14:02,790 --> 01:14:01,199
the president biden's desk soon so

2044
01:14:03,590 --> 01:14:02,800
that's that that's good news really good

2045
01:14:05,270 --> 01:14:03,600
news

2046
01:14:07,990 --> 01:14:05,280
and good to hear you got a reply as well

2047
01:14:09,910 --> 01:14:08,000
from your your local senator uh the next

2048
01:14:12,950 --> 01:14:09,920
next up is do you have any thoughts on

2049
01:14:15,110 --> 01:14:12,960
bob lazar and his story

2050
01:14:17,510 --> 01:14:15,120
um i mean i was really interested in it

2051
01:14:18,550 --> 01:14:17,520
as a kid like like i said it had always

2052
01:14:19,510 --> 01:14:18,560
had a

2053
01:14:21,430 --> 01:14:19,520
deep

2054
01:14:23,910 --> 01:14:21,440
and long-standing interest in this and i

2055
01:14:25,430 --> 01:14:23,920
remember seeing a number of shows

2056
01:14:26,709 --> 01:14:25,440
when i was

2057
01:14:29,510 --> 01:14:26,719
13

2058
01:14:32,149 --> 01:14:29,520
through whenever uh involving him and

2059
01:14:34,630 --> 01:14:32,159
his alleged um

2060
01:14:36,470 --> 01:14:34,640
involvement with reverse engineering

2061
01:14:38,149 --> 01:14:36,480
these craft and

2062
01:14:39,510 --> 01:14:38,159
i i don't know i mean

2063
01:14:40,550 --> 01:14:39,520
it seems like

2064
01:14:43,110 --> 01:14:40,560
we

2065
01:14:44,870 --> 01:14:43,120
have this technology or

2066
01:14:47,350 --> 01:14:44,880
eventually will

2067
01:14:49,590 --> 01:14:47,360
and if we happen to be gifted one of

2068
01:14:51,910 --> 01:14:49,600
these craft from the future somebody's

2069
01:14:53,590 --> 01:14:51,920
gonna have to work on figuring out how

2070
01:14:56,310 --> 01:14:53,600
they work

2071
01:14:57,830 --> 01:14:56,320
so we would expect that certain

2072
01:14:59,830 --> 01:14:57,840
individuals would eventually come out

2073
01:15:01,510 --> 01:14:59,840
and say hey i worked on this thing we're

2074
01:15:03,510 --> 01:15:01,520
trying to figure out what it does and

2075
01:15:05,270 --> 01:15:03,520
how to use it so

2076
01:15:07,030 --> 01:15:05,280
you know why couldn't it be him i

2077
01:15:09,110 --> 01:15:07,040
haven't looked into the specifics i know

2078
01:15:11,189 --> 01:15:09,120
there's a lot of haters out there but

2079
01:15:13,750 --> 01:15:11,199
i've i've always sort of

2080
01:15:15,669 --> 01:15:13,760
found him to be a genuine individual in

2081
01:15:18,229 --> 01:15:15,679
what he says and

2082
01:15:20,070 --> 01:15:18,239
how he talks about these things

2083
01:15:22,709 --> 01:15:20,080
what are your thoughts on skinwalker

2084
01:15:27,669 --> 01:15:24,950
um pretty interesting it's not just

2085
01:15:30,229 --> 01:15:27,679
skinwalker either there's other ranches

2086
01:15:33,270 --> 01:15:30,239
in and around that part of utah that

2087
01:15:36,310 --> 01:15:33,280
also have very strange things

2088
01:15:40,790 --> 01:15:36,320
happen uh katie garbowsky just gave a

2089
01:15:41,910 --> 01:15:40,800
talk at the ufo festival in mcminnville

2090
01:15:43,830 --> 01:15:41,920
oregon

2091
01:15:46,630 --> 01:15:43,840
talking about all kinds of weird stuff

2092
01:15:48,950 --> 01:15:46,640
happening at a ranch

2093
01:15:50,950 --> 01:15:48,960
where she grew up very similar to what's

2094
01:15:52,550 --> 01:15:50,960
reported at skinwalker so

2095
01:15:54,709 --> 01:15:52,560
yeah i think it's interesting i'm glad

2096
01:15:57,270 --> 01:15:54,719
people are are still continuing to

2097
01:15:59,189 --> 01:15:57,280
investigate that hopefully get some

2098
01:16:00,390 --> 01:15:59,199
something tangible that we can break

2099
01:16:04,470 --> 01:16:00,400
apart

2100
01:16:06,229 --> 01:16:04,480
do you prefer the term ufo or uap

2101
01:16:09,990 --> 01:16:06,239
i don't care i use them all

2102
01:16:11,350 --> 01:16:10,000
interchangeably these days uh uav ufo

2103
01:16:13,270 --> 01:16:11,360
uap

2104
01:16:15,430 --> 01:16:13,280
it's it's all the same thing i i

2105
01:16:17,350 --> 01:16:15,440
understand why we change it i did that

2106
01:16:20,070 --> 01:16:17,360
in my first book i called them ifos just

2107
01:16:22,310 --> 01:16:20,080
to kind of create a separation

2108
01:16:25,350 --> 01:16:22,320
because the ufo has been so stigmatized

2109
01:16:27,430 --> 01:16:25,360
but um now that that stigma is waning i

2110
01:16:28,470 --> 01:16:27,440
i think we should still call them ufos

2111
01:16:30,229 --> 01:16:28,480
that's what we've always called them

2112
01:16:32,229 --> 01:16:30,239
we're still talking about the same thing

2113
01:16:35,750 --> 01:16:32,239
the phenomenon hasn't changed

2114
01:16:38,550 --> 01:16:35,760
so um yeah as as that stigma continues

2115
01:16:41,110 --> 01:16:38,560
to diminish i think we could

2116
01:16:42,550 --> 01:16:41,120
bring it back um but i use uap and uav

2117
01:16:44,310 --> 01:16:42,560
as well

2118
01:16:48,470 --> 01:16:44,320
do you think we're heading towards

2119
01:16:52,310 --> 01:16:50,310
pardon my ignorance but i don't what's

2120
01:16:53,430 --> 01:16:52,320
the what's the distinction there i

2121
01:16:55,590 --> 01:16:53,440
suppose when we're looking at the

2122
01:16:57,270 --> 01:16:55,600
capital d disclosure it's the

2123
01:16:58,790 --> 01:16:57,280
white house coming out and confirming

2124
01:17:00,870 --> 01:16:58,800
yep there's alien life we've got the

2125
01:17:03,270 --> 01:17:00,880
desks and all that sort of stuff as

2126
01:17:06,149 --> 01:17:03,280
opposed to confirmation of maybe

2127
01:17:07,590 --> 01:17:06,159
learning along with ignorance that where

2128
01:17:08,709 --> 01:17:07,600
we announced that we've caught a picture

2129
01:17:09,990 --> 01:17:08,719
of something and there might be

2130
01:17:14,070 --> 01:17:10,000
something out there and we're just

2131
01:17:15,189 --> 01:17:14,080
discovering it along with the human race

2132
01:17:17,750 --> 01:17:15,199
um

2133
01:17:19,750 --> 01:17:17,760
yeah i don't know i i guess both sound

2134
01:17:21,830 --> 01:17:19,760
great um

2135
01:17:23,510 --> 01:17:21,840
disclosure seems from what you just

2136
01:17:24,390 --> 01:17:23,520
described to have

2137
01:17:26,630 --> 01:17:24,400
more

2138
01:17:29,189 --> 01:17:26,640
uh

2139
01:17:30,390 --> 01:17:29,199
more involved more content i guess if

2140
01:17:32,229 --> 01:17:30,400
i'm understanding that correctly yeah

2141
01:17:33,350 --> 01:17:32,239
yeah absolutely yeah let's go with that

2142
01:17:35,590 --> 01:17:33,360
one

2143
01:17:37,350 --> 01:17:35,600
sure brilliant and uh what i'd like to

2144
01:17:39,189 --> 01:17:37,360
finish up on as you've mentioned your

2145
01:17:41,350 --> 01:17:39,199
your coming book have you got a time

2146
01:17:42,950 --> 01:17:41,360
scale on it a title or any more

2147
01:17:45,270 --> 01:17:42,960
information you can give and how people

2148
01:17:47,830 --> 01:17:45,280
can find your work

2149
01:17:49,669 --> 01:17:47,840
yeah um finally making some progress on

2150
01:17:50,470 --> 01:17:49,679
that again i

2151
01:17:57,669 --> 01:17:50,480
had

2152
01:18:00,070 --> 01:17:57,679
october uh made the mistake of paying

2153
01:18:01,430 --> 01:18:00,080
one of them an elk sausage so it took a

2154
01:18:04,229 --> 01:18:01,440
little longer than

2155
01:18:06,950 --> 01:18:04,239
i thought it would but i got it back um

2156
01:18:08,950 --> 01:18:06,960
they all contributed substantially

2157
01:18:11,189 --> 01:18:08,960
offering a lot of good criticism and

2158
01:18:12,550 --> 01:18:11,199
insights and just things i hadn't

2159
01:18:14,470 --> 01:18:12,560
thought about which has been the case

2160
01:18:16,390 --> 01:18:14,480
since my first book people reaching out

2161
01:18:18,470 --> 01:18:16,400
to me saying have you thought about this

2162
01:18:20,310 --> 01:18:18,480
or even people from the intelligence

2163
01:18:22,550 --> 01:18:20,320
community um

2164
01:18:25,030 --> 01:18:22,560
who have told me things that i didn't

2165
01:18:27,430 --> 01:18:25,040
even consider but made so much sense

2166
01:18:29,430 --> 01:18:27,440
once they did so i'm trying to work a

2167
01:18:31,590 --> 01:18:29,440
lot of those things in

2168
01:18:35,430 --> 01:18:31,600
uh the title is the extra tempestuo

2169
01:18:37,590 --> 01:18:35,440
model um i've got a cover now

2170
01:18:40,470 --> 01:18:37,600
and uh i'm on the last round of edits

2171
01:18:41,510 --> 01:18:40,480
before sending it to my editor which

2172
01:18:42,870 --> 01:18:41,520
should be

2173
01:18:44,950 --> 01:18:42,880
um

2174
01:18:47,430 --> 01:18:44,960
by the first of the year so

2175
01:18:49,669 --> 01:18:47,440
i'll just have to go through and and fix

2176
01:18:50,390 --> 01:18:49,679
whatever they find record the audio book

2177
01:18:52,630 --> 01:18:50,400
and

2178
01:18:54,790 --> 01:18:52,640
hit publish so yeah hopefully within the

2179
01:18:56,229 --> 01:18:54,800
next three or four months

2180
01:18:57,510 --> 01:18:56,239
i'm very excited to read that and

2181
01:18:59,030 --> 01:18:57,520
obviously when it comes out it'd be

2182
01:19:01,110 --> 01:18:59,040
great to have you back on to discuss it

2183
01:19:02,709 --> 01:19:01,120
a little bit further yeah absolutely

2184
01:19:04,630 --> 01:19:02,719
it's a it's a fundamentally different

2185
01:19:06,229 --> 01:19:04,640
book it's much more conversational i

2186
01:19:08,790 --> 01:19:06,239
still get into

2187
01:19:10,950 --> 01:19:08,800
you know some of the the technical

2188
01:19:14,709 --> 01:19:10,960
aspects of of

2189
01:19:16,550 --> 01:19:14,719
our evolution and genomics and uh crispr

2190
01:19:17,350 --> 01:19:16,560
and things like that is they're relevant

2191
01:19:19,669 --> 01:19:17,360
but

2192
01:19:21,590 --> 01:19:19,679
it's a different focus it's more about

2193
01:19:23,830 --> 01:19:21,600
um the abduction aspect of the

2194
01:19:25,669 --> 01:19:23,840
phenomenon which i didn't really touch

2195
01:19:28,470 --> 01:19:25,679
on too much in the first book so it kind

2196
01:19:30,390 --> 01:19:28,480
of flips it around and um

2197
01:19:32,550 --> 01:19:30,400
yeah just a different approach it's been

2198
01:19:33,830 --> 01:19:32,560
super fascinating to research

2199
01:19:35,510 --> 01:19:33,840
looking at all these different case

2200
01:19:36,470 --> 01:19:35,520
studies over the course of 100 years

2201
01:19:38,470 --> 01:19:36,480
from

2202
01:19:40,950 --> 01:19:38,480
all over the planet and just seeing

2203
01:19:43,270 --> 01:19:40,960
how much consistency there is among them

2204
01:19:45,030 --> 01:19:43,280
it's um it's it's really interesting

2205
01:19:46,149 --> 01:19:45,040
this uh phenomenon's been with us for a

2206
01:19:47,350 --> 01:19:46,159
long time

2207
01:19:50,709 --> 01:19:47,360
and uh

2208
01:19:52,229 --> 01:19:50,719
it's uh it's never never dull it's never

2209
01:19:54,229 --> 01:19:52,239
a dull moment and going down these

2210
01:19:55,790 --> 01:19:54,239
rabbit holes people can pick up

2211
01:19:57,750 --> 01:19:55,800
identified flying objects a

2212
01:19:59,830 --> 01:19:57,760
multidisciplinary scientific approach to

2213
01:20:02,229 --> 01:19:59,840
the ufo phenomenon it's available

2214
01:20:03,830 --> 01:20:02,239
wherever books are sold i always say

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amazon but a few people have mentioned

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they like supporting local bookstores so

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whatever you can pick up the book go out

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and get it it's a great read and of

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course looking forward to that book

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coming up in future and have you got a

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social media handle you want to give out

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i believe it is it more full time on

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twitter

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same on instagram and i just got on

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instagram and i don't really have many

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followers so

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if anybody wants to follow me over there

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that would be lovely um

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uh yeah i've got a website

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michaelpmasters.com

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and there's links to all of those other

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uh sites in there as well

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awesome it's been great speaking to you

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dr masters have a great christmas great

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holidays and look forward to speaking to

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you in the new year

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awesome yeah thanks again for having me

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on it's been uh it's been great chatting

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with you that is all for this week's

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show thank you very much for listening

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up you never know what you might see

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like alice was

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champagne

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[Music]

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cuz

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red i helped my boys they thought this

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[Music]

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me

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[Music]

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it wasn't

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[Music]

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it's very different

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so